Wrecks

[scoobert]

i was watching a video on youtube today someone was running round the horn. in the film they showed a boat that had sunk, looked to be a modern boat. what is the law if you come upon an abandoned wreck? most of it was under water, but if it was me, and it was allow i would have gone salvaging.

so whats the rule for international waters?

[psneeld]

Originally Posted by scoobert

i was watching a video on youtube today someone was running round the horn. in the film they showed a boat that had sunk, looked to be a modern boat. what is the law if you come upon an abandoned wreck? most of it was under water, but if it was me, and it was allow i would have gone salvaging.

so whats the rule for international waters?

usually the same as anywhere not in international waters. maritime law has far reaches into many legal systems. if you are not preventing immediate or reasonable further damage to the vessel (like one that is already and aground)...then you have few if no salvage rights...touching another's vessel without reasonable proof of preventing harm and no knowledge of the owners intentions is punishable by maritime law (at least that is what I have read). if you find something drifting...you could always argue complete loss...but you better document wellif you ever have to answer in maritime court.

[scoobert]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbsR3...eature=related

3:32

[boatman61]

Territorial waters extend to 200 miles these days... used to be just 12 but it got extended mainly due to discovery of oil offshore that the countries wanted to claim... so you'd be subect to Chilean law... or whoevers waters you find a wreck in...
If you find a boat floating mid ocean or close to shore thats been abandoned you bring it to port and submit a claim for 'Salvors Rights and Dues' under the national rules....
in the UK for example anything found belongs firstly to the Realm... you may then after review may be granted claim to the whole or a %age for your trouble...

[barnakiel]

I would guess you can grab it and request salvage from the owner.

But there are not many places in International Waters that you could find a sunk and retrieve-able boat.

If it is on a reef, it belongs to the imperialist who have claimed the reef;-)

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[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Territorial waters extend to 200 miles these days...

I am not sure you are correct. I think the territorial waters are still, mostly, 12 miles.

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[cfarrar]

200 miles is typically for economic resources - oil, gas, minerals, and sometimes fish.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

I am not sure you are correct. I think the territorial waters are still, mostly, 12 miles.

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Seeing as salvage involves 'DOSH'... aka Money... I feel it very likely the 200 miles will apply.... or... as in the USA the extent of the continental shelf... which in places is much more...

[psneeld]

don't be focused on territorial waters as maritme law is worldwide and into local waters if the country is a signer to the particular treaty or law.

The real deal is if it's abandoned...then go for it but try to prove it if the owner says it wasn't abandoned...or you have to prove that YOU prevented further loss to collect any monetary gain....

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Seeing as salvage involves 'DOSH'... aka Money... I feel it very likely the 200 miles will apply.... or... as in the USA the extent of the continental shelf... which in places is much more...

You were talking territorial waters and I commented on territorial waters.

In fact, the picture you posted (attribution?) proves what I was pointing at.

Who, how much, for what and if DOSH is another issue and you maybe 100% right on that.

US territorial waters are too, as far as I know, 12 miles. I think it used to be 3, before Reagan.

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[GordMay]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Territorial waters extend to 200 miles these days... used to be just 12 but it got extended mainly due to ...

Boatman is confusing the 200 nm Exclusive Economic Zone with the 12 nm Territorial Waters (per UNCLOS).

[boatman61]

Not really confusing guys...
just aware that Territorial and Economic are easily interchangeable/extentended at the drop of a hat.... if it suits their interests..
I remember reading somewhere that the US for example now considers the limit of the Continental Shelf as territorial water...
and thats plus 200 miles in some areas...

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by boatman61

I remember reading somewhere (...)

Yep. You have read it on the CF ... ;-))))

Cheers, hugs,
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[zeehag]

hay--if it was mine, i claim 1000 mi territorial waters around it....is the island of zeehag.....silliness aside-- we claim 12 mi for fishing and 3 mi for dumping waste and 200 mi out for claiming mineral rights and oil spilling and money grabbing.

[nigel1]

If its been abandoned and the insurers have coughed up, it may well be their property