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Old 23-11-2014, 08:24   #46
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Re: What is the current FL anchoring policy?

FWC should inspect the sewage plants and make sure their through-hulls are wired shut.
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It is true that most municipalities like Tampa & St Pete do not have separate sewer & rain drainage systems. When it rains very hard the sewer systems are overwhelmed & bypass occurs. If every boat in Florida flushed their toilets into the water every day of the year it would not equal the bypass from a large city in 1 heavy rain, which the EPA says has no adverse effect.


Don't drink the Kool Aid.
This is simply not true. You are probably from Boston or NY, both were built with combined sanitary and storm systems and are moving to separate them.

Google "MS4"- you will get a wonderful education. Both of the cities you slander are leaders in effective storm water management (no I don't work there).
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Just a clarification on the amount of raw sewage legally dumped into the waterways by municipalities everywhere: MILLIONS OF GALLONS PER DAY
Not annually, PER DAY. The industry standard measurement is MGD.
Most of this is when it rains, due to the runoff seeping in to and overwhelming the sanitary system. My .02
Most people have no idea how much residential sewage gets dumped in the ocean and estuaries by accident. My ex-wife was on our water quality board for our county for a couple of years, came away from that assignment telling anyone who would listen that anyone who goes swimming on the beach in the week following a big rain is crazy. The E coli counts after rains would be off the scale, and in a week or so, they would be back down to normal.

A good way to know is to watch when oystering is closed during oyster season (if you live in an area that has oysters). E coli counts are why it gets closed.

Sewage release from boats accidentally, or on purpose, is a drop in the bucket compared.
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Old 23-11-2014, 09:43   #49
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It simply is true. The cost for every municipality in the country to develop a separate sewage system is astronomical. Some cities are trying to do it. Most are not. I'm not slandering Tampa or St Pete since this is common practice throughout the country. It's much easier & cheaper to make a symbolic gesture like forcing boaters to pump out. The real point here is that sewage from boaters has literally no impact on the environment & it never has.


By the way, I live in the Tampa Bay area & my family is from the Tampa Bay area. An intelligent person could make his point without getting personal.
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Old 23-11-2014, 10:24   #50
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Stay away from St. Petersburg, they are all about advertising one thing and then nailing you with double the quote.
We must be talking to different marinas. I have found them to be accurate. I like the St. Pete's area.
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Please see old post regarding article in Cruising World, earlier this year: Florida registration

See also post from Crusing World Forum (Control-F to search "Florida" in post): Costs Of Buying And Cruising On A Boat

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Sorry for confusion above. Please see April 2014 Cruising World, pg.22 "Register in FL, or Beat A Retreat", regarding FL aggressively penalizing out of state boaters in their waters, anchoring or not.

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Do you remember which paper or news site you read this? We have been moored in Lake Worth (south of Peanut Island) for many years and would be affected by this. I have not seen or heard anything in the news about it.
It was probably in USA Today. The hotel I was staying at had copies for the guests and my partner usually brought one to the room. From what I recall, it was still all talk. No firm decisions had been made at that time, which was about a week ago.

When I'm back there next month, I wave to you from Sailfish Marina.
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It simply is true. The cost for every municipality in the country to develop a separate sewage system is astronomical. Some cities are trying to do it. Most are not. I'm not slandering Tampa or St Pete since this is common practice throughout the country.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1257666/

Quite right, Scout. This article is a bit dated but seems to cover the subject of combined sewers well.

It's a horrible engineering practice. Thankfully , at least in my state, we are now also treating storm water runoff with sand filters and biocells. Steps in the right direction.

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Thanks much Julie Mor! We really want to keep an eye on any changes coming our way. Take care and maybe see you around. -Mari
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It simply is true. The cost for every municipality in the country to develop a separate sewage system is astronomical. Some cities are trying to do it. Most are not. I'm not slandering Tampa or St Pete since this is common practice throughout the country. It's much easier & cheaper to make a symbolic gesture like forcing boaters to pump out. The real point here is that sewage from boaters has literally no impact on the environment & it never has.


By the way, I live in the Tampa Bay area & my family is from the Tampa Bay area. An intelligent person could make his point without getting personal.

Please do take a moment to do some research. You are posting falsehoods. I am not impugning your character, just fact checking your info that is wrong


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Sorry for confusion above. Please see April 2014 Cruising World, pg.22 "Register in FL, or Beat A Retreat", regarding FL aggressively penalizing out of state boaters in their waters, anchoring or not.

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Please read: http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/FFFVO.pdf

If you are visiting Florida with a vessel registered in another US state, you are free to roam for 90 days after which you must register the vessel in Florida. Is this too onerous??

A foreign flagged vessel that obtained a US CBP Cruising License is exempt from having to register in Florida.
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Please read: http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/FFFVO.pdf

If you are visiting Florida with a vessel registered in another US state, you are free to roam for 90 days after which you must register the vessel in Florida. Is this too onerous??
That is not new. It's been that way. BTW, it's 90 consecutive days and 180 days total for the calendar year.

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New from Sept 2014 St. Pete sewage spill to linger, fouling yards and streets | TBO.com, The Tampa Tribune and The Tampa Times
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This is simply not true. You are probably from Boston or NY, both were built with combined sanitary and storm systems and are moving to separate them.

Google "MS4"- you will get a wonderful education. Both of the cities you slander are leaders in effective storm water management (no I don't work there).
Raw sewage spewing at St. Pete apartment complex


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I am exiting this debate since the debate points keep moving.


First the debate was combined systems- they do not exist in FLA. When challenged to provide proof of combined systems, the points moved.


Now being cited is a single sewer spill and a problem in St. Pete Beach where they allowed their infrastructure to fall into disrepair. St. Peter Beach is a fraction of the size of Tampa or St Pete. St. Pete Beach is a small burb a fraction of their size.


From the article about SPB that you cited.... SWEET SAINTS PRESERVE US this is an issue!!!! OMG "The last time the sewer system overflowed was Sunday, when about 50 gallons spilled onto the road."


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