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Old 02-10-2014, 07:44   #31
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Re: What COLREG rule was broken here (video) - 2 ships collide in Suez Canal

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Where? Do you have a link? Source?

It's been mentioned on a couple of websites, but no "official" source attributed to the remark, so most likely conjecture or rumour. It could be true, stuff like that does happen.

As others have mentioned, overtaking is not permitted in the canal, ships need to keep a set speed to maintain the spacing between the ships in the convoy.

Due to internet connection I cannot view the video, but it does look like the Colombo Express tried to pass the Maersk Tanjong. It could be that they thought they could get ahead before the MT joined the convoy, but found themselves out of space and out of options.

My guess is the canal VTS and the pilots will be getting their collars felt.
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:25   #32
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Re: What COLREG rule was broken here (video) - 2 ships collide in Suez Canal

I am gunna say its the Suez Canal, its not covered by Colregs as its a private waterway where every ship is under the direction of a pilot.
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:21   #33
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Re: What COLREG rule was broken here (video) - 2 ships collide in Suez Canal

Real cause - two many ships in too big a hurry, someone needed to slow down so they did not both arrive in the channel at the same time. The catch all in col reg's is that in a close quaters situation both masters are require to take all action possible to avoid a collision; there is no 'right of way'. Each master will now have to explain how they fulfilled their duty in that sense. we can only guess but I suspect some type of loss of control
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Re: What COLREG rule was broken here (video) - 2 ships collide in Suez Canal

I enjoyed the Egyptian Arabic commentary,but you guys don't have to speak it to understand what they were saying. The translated audio clip is close enough I'm sure it looked different from the bridge, but for us it is perplexing as to how this could happen. I'm sure each of us has been in the situation of choosing to drop the hammer and go, or throttle down and wait, in a pass. I always choose the latter when it doesn't make things worse, but who knows what was going on here.

So, this was two suez pilots that did this? Maybe was personal.. Not exactly like the valet guy getting in a fender bender w your car. What was outcome? Did they just keep on churning or had to stop and deal w it? Pull over and wait for suez troopers?


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Clearly the black ship has containers stacked higher so by "rule of tonnage" the blue ship is in the wrong.
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Old 02-10-2014, 12:20   #36
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Re: What COLREG rule was broken here (video) - 2 ships collide in Suez Canal

The black is overtaking the blue then notices a shoal ahead and puts in reverse? She kicks to stbd.

No bowthruster? C`mon! Even Bavarias have them these days!

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Re: What COLREG rule was broken here (video) - 2 ships collide in Suez Canal

Having been in a position of danger , in Suez , the reason is simple. Insufficient care ,by the Captain ,in paying baksheesh to the Egyptian canal pilot. I am serious !!
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Re: What COLREG rule was broken here (video) - 2 ships collide in Suez Canal

If you refer back to my post #22 you will see that the navigable width of the canal is somewhat less than 1/3rd of the visual width.
The HAPAG ship would have been feeling the bottom before she took that sheer to port.... the only other option the pilot woud have had would have been running straight up the bum of the maersk boat...that would have been really messy.
I'm surprised the VTS didn't simply tack the Maersk on to the end of the convoy... trying to insert her into the middle of it would have a knock on effect all the way back down the line as ships adjusted speed and distance from the ship ahead.
Was in a collision not disimilar to this one in the Thames long before they even thought of VTS... 02dark on a December morning.. no such thing as a new or original stuff up.....
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I just left a safe boating class and it was explained that the larger powered ship must give way to the smaller powered ship but if there is going to be an accident it is okay to break the rules to avoid a collision. So there you go.
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Re: What COLREG rule was broken here (video) - 2 ships collide in Suez Canal

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Clearly the black ship has containers stacked higher so by "rule of tonnage" the blue ship is in the wrong.
Would you please cite this rule? I am not aware that the Coregs have a "rule of tonnage"


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Re: What COLREG rule was broken here (video) - 2 ships collide in Suez Canal

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I just left a safe boating class and it was explained that the larger powered ship must give way to the smaller powered ship but if there is going to be an accident it is okay to break the rules to avoid a collision. So there you go.
There Are No Rules it's every man or woman for themselves out there.
I think you should ask for a refund.
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Re: What COLREG rule was broken here (video) - 2 ships collide in Suez Canal

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I just left a safe boating class and it was explained that the larger powered ship must give way to the smaller powered ship but if there is going to be an accident it is okay to break the rules to avoid a collision. So there you go.
There Are No Rules it's every man or woman for themselves out there.
I don't know who was giving that class - but this is blatently wrong. There is no rule that states the larger powered ship must give way to the smaller powered.

Here is a link to a summary of the regs on Wiki

International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and just to keep it simple. Here is rule 18 (please note that there are some special rules when ships are in narrow channels)

18. Responsibilities between vessels
Except in narrow channels, traffic separation schemes, and when overtaking (i.e., rules 9, 10, and 13)
A power-driven vessel must give way to:
a vessel not under command;
a vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre (this may include vessels towing one another[12]);
a vessel engaged in fishing;
a sailing vessel.
A sailing vessel must give way to:
a vessel not under command;
a vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre;
a vessel engaged in fishing.
A vessel engaged in fishing when underway shall, so far as possible, keep out of the way of:
a vessel not under command;
a vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre.
Any vessel other than a vessel not under command or a vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre shall, if possible, not impede the safe passage of a vessel constrained by her draft, exhibiting the signals in Rule 28.
A vessel constrained by her draft shall navigate with particular caution having full regard to her special condition.[6]

As someone else noted. The Suez is under strict control of the VTS. You obey them period.
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I think you should ask for a refund.
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I think you should ask for a refund.
I'd be demanding that the school gets a new instructor, preferably one who has read the Colregs.
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Re: What COLREG rule was broken here (video) - 2 ships collide in Suez Canal

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Would you please cite this rule? I am not aware that the Coregs have a "rule of tonnage"


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You may want to stand up because that one went way over your head.

It was a joke.

Google it for an explanation.
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