Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 03-08-2012, 20:25   #166
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: ontario canada
Boat: grampian 26
Posts: 1,743
Re: We are being terrorized

Quote:
Originally Posted by lannen View Post
Here is what will happen if you hire a lawyer.

1. The lawyer will take your money.

2.
Another Lawyer joke: Two farmers a fighting over a cow, one has it by the horns and the other by the tail. The Lawyers are in the middle milking it.
__________________

__________________
perchance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2012, 08:03   #167
Registered User

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Massachusetts
Boat: 40' Silverton Aftcabin with twin Crusaders
Posts: 1,590
Re: We are being terrorized

Quote:
Originally Posted by searay290 View Post
Do a Zimmerman, you are in Florida....

YES, MAYBE 15-20 YEARS!
__________________

__________________
foggysail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2012, 08:11   #168
Registered User
 
captainKJ's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: 3rd wave passed the sea wall
Boat: private yacht always moving
Posts: 1,388
Re: We are being terrorized

we all have to deal with di--heads in our life,,,,, not much you can do but document it. if it continues then you have a case against them, but nothing much will ever happen to them, act of life. If you get some video you can show it to the police, most likely they will tell the guy to knock it off, give him a safety check, look for any thing not up to the law, issues a couple of warnings, and then keep stopping him on the water, a couple of times and he will get the message.

other than that keep what you do within the law,,,,if he is a son of a politician you can embarrass him by bringing it to the media, most likely he is a spoiled brat whose parent keep bailing him out of trouble,,,

do a search on CF for sunset lake miami,,, it is an interesting read,,about the same thing happened there
__________________
captainKJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2012, 08:20   #169
Registered User
 
sabray's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Wash DC
Boat: PETERSON 44
Posts: 3,169
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironhorse74
Video camera?
Yep iPhone has it built in.
__________________
sabray is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2012, 10:24   #170
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SW Florida
Boat: FP Belize, 43' - Dot Dun
Posts: 3,425
Re: We are being terrorized

IMO, a major reason to cruise/live-aboard is to escape from the conformity of the landlubber rat-race-like society. Expecting to escape the negatives of the landlubber society (dealing with idiots) while maintaining the positives (expedient assistance from public safety) is a fantasy. You moved onto a boat to escape, don't expect to have the same level of 'services' the landlubber society enjoys.

If your response to actions of idiots matches the level of stupidity foisted upon you, be prepared for the situation to fall even deeper into the abyss of one-upmanship. Floating poly line and guns are responses that could fall into this trap.

Similar to the wise advice of 'Don't argue with an idiot....', don't get caught in performing stupid acts where the audience won't be able to tell which party is 'stupider'.

Take the high road, if you can't/don't want to move, document (video) and continue to work with the public safety responders. They will respond if/when you provide evidence this is not a one-time event, remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
__________________
DotDun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2012, 13:48   #171
Registered User
 
TeddyDiver's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Arctic Ocean
Boat: Under construction 35' ketch
Posts: 1,826
Images: 2
Re: We are being terrorized

Videoing stupids could make a good show. How about selling a program "Retarded on water" for Discovery channel.. anyway they have some programs about the same category allready.
__________________
TeddyDiver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2012, 14:03   #172
Registered User
 
micah719's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Somewhere in Germany
Boat: OEM, proportional
Posts: 1,436
Re: We are being terrorized

The Sunset Lake threads were interesting. Sad, but interesting.
__________________
Ps 139:9-10 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
micah719 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2012, 14:36   #173
Registered User
 
SKG56's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Afghanistan, Iraq,Thailand, WA State
Boat: Westsail 32
Posts: 222
Re: We are being terrorized

Quote:
Originally Posted by Celestialsailor View Post
Yes...personally if I was going to try and defend myself, I would come up with a decent plan, with enough help that I did not get over my head and I sure as hell would not be advertising it here. I always laugh the personalities of posters here
I totally agree, this whole thing is BS.
__________________
SKG56 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2012, 15:26   #174
Registered User
 
rognvald's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Summer: In the land of Wooly Mammoths
Boat: Pearson 34-II
Posts: 2,252
Images: 2
Re: We are being terrorized

I have read all the previous respondants and have a few comments that have not been mentioned. Firstly, whenever you deal with a stranger, you are dealing with an unknown. You cannot judge his/her response to your action/inaction or the degree of his response. What might work with one person could be a trigger point for extreme violence to another. The world has always been violent, but today you are dealing with people who might be using drugs/alcohol to excess, a person who has a violent past and/or criminal record, a mentally unstable person capable of bizarre and unmentionable acts, or maybe even a pretty decent guy that is just having a really bad day. They all spell disaster if you're dealt the wrong card. Secondly, anytime the police are involved you have the potential to be exposed to a criminal proceeding, a civil lawsuit that may be directed against you even if you are the innocent or injured party, costly legal bills and unneeded stress and inconvenience or violent retaliation by the accused party. These are all unknowns with a potential for an outcome not desired or deserved. Thirdly, you must analyze if your response will be sufficient to stop the action and avoid the previous two considerations. That also is an unknown. So, unless you or your loved one's are exposed to an imminent and life threatening attack where you can justify whatever force is necessary to stop the attack, the better alternative (as others have mentioned) is to keep a vigilant post for the remainder of the night and pull your hook in the morning and move to another anchorage. What is your life, your loved one's life or your boat worth? Sailing, cruising, and the liveaboard life is not a martial art.
__________________
rognvald is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2012, 15:32   #175
Registered User
 
micah719's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Somewhere in Germany
Boat: OEM, proportional
Posts: 1,436
Re: We are being terrorized

Ah, the drawback of the internet....the inability to spot when someone is pulling your leg by their body language and tone. Also, the difficulty of subtly conveying the impression that one hasn't laid all the cards on the table...or even any of the good ones.

The hooning drunk kiddies need a good spanking and lengthy grounding (no, not the nautical kind), and the midnight musical idiot would benefit from a solid punch on the conk and a last-chance good behaviour warning lest he be banned from boating. But the Sunset Bay debacle is a showcase in how far we've sunk, and this thread is merely another. Up anchor, to more quiet places where the barbarians don't dare go, much, yet.
__________________
Ps 139:9-10 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
micah719 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2012, 17:00   #176
cruiser

Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Tampa Bay area
Boat: Hunter 31'
Posts: 5,731
Re: We are being terrorized

Quote:
Originally Posted by perchance View Post
For all who advocate cutting and running: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" Edmund Burke.

I agree with this. The harder course, but best in the long run both for this boater and the community, is to find a way to make the local gendarmes take such actions seriously.
__________________
Rakuflames is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2012, 17:03   #177
cruiser

Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Tampa Bay area
Boat: Hunter 31'
Posts: 5,731
Re: We are being terrorized

Quote:
Originally Posted by DotDun View Post
IMO, a major reason to cruise/live-aboard is to escape from the conformity of the landlubber rat-race-like society. Expecting to escape the negatives of the landlubber society (dealing with idiots) while maintaining the positives (expedient assistance from public safety) is a fantasy. You moved onto a boat to escape, don't expect to have the same level of 'services' the landlubber society enjoys.

If your response to actions of idiots matches the level of stupidity foisted upon you, be prepared for the situation to fall even deeper into the abyss of one-upmanship. Floating poly line and guns are responses that could fall into this trap.

Similar to the wise advice of 'Don't argue with an idiot....', don't get caught in performing stupid acts where the audience won't be able to tell which party is 'stupider'.

Take the high road, if you can't/don't want to move, document (video) and continue to work with the public safety responders. They will respond if/when you provide evidence this is not a one-time event, remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

That's one reason to live aboard, but -- for instance -- not like I do.

I share Hatch's concern because I sometimes take my boat out into that area just to anchor out for the night. Living by a dock in a marina is convenient but not really much of an adventure.

I would like to be safe out there.
__________________
Rakuflames is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2012, 17:06   #178
Registered User
 
micah719's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Somewhere in Germany
Boat: OEM, proportional
Posts: 1,436
Re: We are being terrorized

When you have to do much of their job for them, such as collecting evidence and shame them by applying media leverage, it may be too late already....putting out a spotfire in the middle of a roaring inferno. Or holding up a sapling in a hurricane......
__________________
Ps 139:9-10 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
micah719 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2012, 17:22   #179
cruiser

Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Tampa Bay area
Boat: Hunter 31'
Posts: 5,731
Re: We are being terrorized

Quote:
Originally Posted by micah719 View Post
When you have to do much of their job for them, such as collecting evidence and shame them by applying media leverage, it may be too late already....putting out a spotfire in the middle of a roaring inferno. Or holding up a sapling in a hurricane......

I don't agree. If you claim a crime has been committed, you have to demonstrate that it has happened. Usually it's obvious. You've been burglarized and the police can see where the door or window was pried open, etc.

But what evidence do they have that a crime has been committed here? Only the live-aboard's claim, and for all they know, he has some vendetta against the kid on the boat. It happens.

The police have to have evidence.
__________________
Rakuflames is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2012, 17:45   #180
Registered User
 
CarinaPDX's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Portland, Oregon, USA
Boat: 31' Cape George Cutter
Posts: 1,674
Re: We are being terrorized

This has been a fun thread...

First, I appreciate that the OP seems to be one of the most sensible posters here - kudos.

I think that the escalation that was experienced by the OP should be argument enough against a forceful response. The reality that things can get out of hand quickly, particularly when one party is drunk and suffering from teenage hypertestosterone, should give cause to pause with the aggressiveness. Expecting a drunk to respond meekly to any request to behave is pure wishful thinking.

"Violence is as American as apple pie." Malcolm X was right on at least that observation. And response draws further bad behavior. Ignore them and they might go away - respond and they will stay to get their revenge.

I do like the video recording. And if it were me I would happen to have my phone on speaker while talking to the police, while at the same time recording the video. But the idea of using the video to bludgeon the police/mayor/city council/USCG into doing their jobs (as you see it) is not likely to end well. It is one thing to show the video to these people in order to educate them as to what you have been enduring; threatening to expose their inaction is quite another. You really do catch more flies with honey...

If the perpetrators can be identified, and there is real monetary loss such as a vet's bill for the dog's injury, a trip to small claims court might well be in order. Confronting a now-sober person in the light of day with the cost of his misdeeds is far more likely to improve the situation than any aggressiveness on the night in question.

If the OP feels committed to staying in Gulfport, then getting involved in improving the situation is in order, a la DeniseO30's suggestion. Some avenues to pursue: establish a volunteer patrol under the auspices of the police, or similarly, get involved with and invite in Coast Guard Auxiliary patrols. I would accept at face value that funds are tight, and such violations are not a high enough priority to deal with, so provide suggestions that will require few resources but will leverage the authority of the police, etc.

Finally, if the OP is not committed to the Gulfport community, then always remember: When in danger, when in doubt, pull up the anchor and bugger on out.

Greg
__________________

__________________
CarinaPDX is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:13.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.