Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 27-04-2008, 05:34   #16
CF Adviser
Moderator Emeritus
 
Hud3's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Virginia
Boat: Island Packet 380, now sold
Posts: 8,929
Images: 49
Cooper,

What are you talking about? You're not making any sense.
__________________

__________________
Hud
Hud3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-04-2008, 07:54   #17
Registered User
 
Sunspot Baby's Avatar

Join Date: May 2003
Location: New Bern, NC
Boat: Prout Manta 38' Catamaran - Sunspot Baby
Posts: 1,521
Images: 14
Those aren't RIBS. I am pretty sure their orange area is solid. If they are not Protector boats , they are similar but using a solid rather than inflated rim. See Protector Boats .

George
__________________

__________________
She took my address and my name
Put my credit to shame
Sunspot Baby, sure had a real good time
Bob Seger
Sunspot Baby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-04-2008, 07:59   #18
One of Those
 
Canibul's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Turks and Caicos Islands
Boat: Catalac 12M
Posts: 3,209
There is just basically something wrong with US civilians being able to be arrested by military troops. The Shore Patrol cannot pull you over on an interstate and arrest you. The MPs cannot give you a breathalyzer. Why should another military group, the USCG, have legal control over private citizens? Its just wrong. IF you have a US passport or other id as a citizen, they should not be able to touch you or your property.

Hey, David M. I went through an entire 40 year career working with the stuff you tow around. We must know some of the same people.
__________________
Expat life in the Devil's Triangle:
http://2gringos.blogspot.com/
Canibul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-04-2008, 08:48   #19
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Seattle
Boat: Cal 40
Posts: 2,401
Images: 7
Some of this class don't carry the 50 caliber guns, but the ones that bird-dog the ferries do.





John
__________________
cal40john is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-04-2008, 09:24   #20
Eternal Member
 
Chief Engineer's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: North of Baltimore
Boat: Ericson 27 & 18' Herrmann Catboat
Posts: 3,798
The USCG falls under Homeland Security......I don't believe they have any standing in the Pentagon
__________________
Chief Engineer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-04-2008, 09:32   #21
CF Adviser
Moderator Emeritus
 
Hud3's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Virginia
Boat: Island Packet 380, now sold
Posts: 8,929
Images: 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canibul View Post
There is just basically something wrong with US civilians being able to be arrested by military troops.
In my opinion, being cited by the USCG for a boating infraction is no different than a federal fish & game officer arresting you for hunting in a national park without a permit.
__________________
Hud
Hud3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-04-2008, 09:59   #22
Registered User

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Rota, Spain
Boat: Sceptre 41
Posts: 59
In my opinion, the Coast Guard we knew from the good old days (the ones that came out to rescue you) has become corrupted by first its drug interdiction duties, and later by its Homeland Security duties. New recruits are trained to parrot the words of Washington Lawyers (literally). We were boarded by a training crew and found that they had been hired from the inner city or the deep mountains and knew absolutely nothing about boats. So they did what they had been trained to do. The questions they asked revealed the profundity of their nautical ignorance - "is this a fiberglass boat". The idiot in charge forced me to attach a freon bottle to the foghorn (in the same package with it) to prove to himself that it was a functioning horn. I explained to him that, if I did that, the freon would slowly leak out and I would be left without the safety device that he was requiring. He didn't care - he made me prove that it worked! That boarding was a nightmare because there was no reasoning with those guys. When he wanted to go below, he asked if he could go down to the "mess deck".
Arghhhhhhh!
__________________
Quijote is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-04-2008, 10:18   #23
Moderator Emeritus
 
David M's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: San Francisco Bay
Boat: research vessel
Posts: 10,150
Quijote,
Thats pretty funny. As much as I respect what they are doing, I have had some pretty funny situations revolving around their sometimes ignorance.

I used to run a different inspected vessel. This means that the Coasties inspect your vessel once per year. One inspector was down in the engine space and noticed some duct tape. Apparently the presence of duct tape is a red flag for them. He asked why I have duct tape? I had to explain to him that the duct tape is to hold the heater ducts together.
__________________
David

Life begins where land ends.
David M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-04-2008, 10:48   #24
Moderator Emeritus
 
Pblais's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hayes, VA
Boat: Gozzard 36
Posts: 8,700
Images: 15
Send a message via Skype™ to Pblais
Quote:
The move follows an investigation by The Sun last year showing that mariners prevailed in only 14 of about 6,300 charges brought over eight years.
I would not take this as a sign you will be boarded less. In the past if you look at the number that means about 790 cases per year. That isn't that many compared to the number of boarding and these "violations are not basic inspection issues either.

Just because few were acquitted it also means darn few were accused. Under the NTSB there are about 500 more crimes you can be guilty of and a lot more people out there trying to prosecute them. I clearly would prefer we dismantle the Department of Homeland Insecurity as a concentration of far too much power. Those people are scary. Sedition may soon be an actual crime again.
__________________
Paul Blais
s/v Bright Eyes Gozzard 36
37 15.7 N 76 28.9 W
Pblais is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-04-2008, 10:55   #25
Moderator Emeritus
 
David M's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: San Francisco Bay
Boat: research vessel
Posts: 10,150
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pblais View Post
I would not take this as a sign you will be boarded less. In the past if you look at the number that means about 790 cases per year. That isn't that many compared to the number of boarding and these "violations are not basic inspection issues either.

Just because few were acquitted it also means darn few were accused. Under the NTSB there are about 500 more crimes you can be guilty of and a lot more people out there trying to prosecute them. I clearly would prefer we dismantle the Department of Homeland Insecurity as a concentration of far too much power. Those people are scary. Sedition may soon be an actual crime again.
I believe that the vast majority of the Coast Guard convictions relate to licensed mariners being convicted of one thing or another. I don't think that they relate much to yachties getting boarded. It has to be a pretty serious violation like a barge hitting a bridge or a grounding of a commercial vessel for the Coast Guard to convene a kangaroo court.
__________________
David

Life begins where land ends.
David M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-04-2008, 11:11   #26
One of Those
 
Canibul's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Turks and Caicos Islands
Boat: Catalac 12M
Posts: 3,209
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hud3 View Post
In my opinion, being cited by the USCG for a boating infraction is no different than a federal fish & game officer arresting you for hunting in a national park without a permit.

Except that a.) I am not slinking through the bushes with a high-powered rifle b.) the ocean is not a national park, and c.) Federal fish and game officers don't pull a family in a Honda Civic over on the interstate highways just because they feel like looking through their trunk and luggage, checking their horn, brakes, and tire wear.
__________________
Expat life in the Devil's Triangle:
http://2gringos.blogspot.com/
Canibul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-04-2008, 12:05   #27
Registered User
 
cslascro's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 14
CG is part of homeland security nowadays, and ever since that transitions there have been a number of changes (not the least of which is their commando attire). Perhaps having a DOT agency switch to military status is still something the boys in Washington are sorting out. Good to hear that people are making a fuss and setting things straight; keeping it all fair. Imagine how long it would take to work the kinks out of the marines becoming a domestic agency! I know that our Coasties here in Ponce Inlet have lost a lot of funding in the last decade, we used to have cutter stationed here, but no more. That kinda sucks when you're 40 miles out without a propshaft and then they say, "can you call Sea Tow instead? we don't have a vessel to send to you."
__________________
cslascro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-04-2008, 12:26   #28
Moderator Emeritus
 
David M's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: San Francisco Bay
Boat: research vessel
Posts: 10,150
It has never been the Coast Guards responsibility to be a towing service and it should not be their job. The Coast Guard only cares if life is in immediate danger. It is also not their job to protect your property such as pulling a vessel off the rocks. If you do need assistance and lives are not at immediate risk, then it is best to call a towing service or to flag down a fellow yachtie. The Coast Guard has the option to help you in non-emergency situations but not the obligation to help you. It is their policy to not take business away from commercial towing services.
__________________
David

Life begins where land ends.
David M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-04-2008, 02:11   #29
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 976
Images: 6
Hud have a look at the post "coast watch usa" and you might understand the meaning of my aussie dialect !.
__________________

__________________
cooper is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I may lose my job, so question on intercostal? Doghouse Sailor Logs & Cruising Plans 16 09-12-2007 20:27
"Ethan Allen" - NTSB Capsizing Synopsis GordMay The Sailor's Confessional 1 28-07-2006 08:03
lose tabbing Pa La O La Construction, Maintenance & Refit 1 30-06-2006 06:19
Will we lose NOAA weather radio? Sunspot Baby General Sailing Forum 12 29-09-2005 22:08
Why Solar Cells Lose Potency GordMay Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 0 28-06-2005 12:36



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 19:28.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.