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Old 29-03-2011, 19:38   #16
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Re: Turned away by customs?

I think the OP was asking if they would be allowed time to repair/re-provision or safe harbor if not allowed in the country.
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Re: Turned away by customs?

There was an AA International Convention in Canada a few years back.

Two friends of mine with DWI from 20+ years ago were denied entry.

They have close to 40 years of sobriety between them.

You have to jump thru some pretty tiny hoops to get into Canada if you have any kind of record.

You have to go to the embassy and fill out all kinds of crapola. Bah!!!!!

Personally, they should raise the entry fee for Canadians even higher, eh
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Re: Turned away by customs?

surely dui,possesion of minor amounts etc are civil rather than criminal offenses?

didnt the usa and canada amongst others fight a war together to stop totalatarinism?

doesnt it say something about neighbours in the bible?

its a very sad world if one gets drunk in lets say england and is stopped from going to france for example..............but if you pay a lawyer its okay.......perspectve?
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Re: Turned away by customs?

OK guys... I tried to steer this back on topic once! This is not a thread about DRIVING into Canada!
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obeying the laws of what ever country you visit ie:checking in is going to give you at least a chance of a good reception.
failing to check in is just plain bad manners and puts you on the other side of the law.
ive sailed into countries where none of us had visas for,and gone direct to customs explained our situation and more often than not been welcomed with open arms,visas waived etc even been given free docking in customs area!!!

at the end of the day people are people and have to be seen to be doing their job.........MAKE MY DAY......do it in a good way or bad way the out comes are either posative or negative,why break the law when on innocent passage.......
as quoted in other post,in my experince,apart from the usa and canada,in the rest of the real world better to approch honestly than being underhand,values are different in developing countries,honesty being paramount.....................
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[SIZE=3]Being refused entry [by customs] has to do with the homeland security act and an agreement the US has with Canada and sharing crimminal records.
It's not just the USA and Canada. A colleague, a renowned professor at a British university, is unable to enter the USA to attend academic conferences because of a pot charges he was convicted of as an undergraduate. He didn't even realize he would have problems until he stepped off a plane. They sent him home on the first flight back.
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Re: Turned away by customs?

I think the best way to answer that question is call the customs agency of the countries you are trying to visit.
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It's not just the USA and Canada. A colleague, a renowned professor at a British university, is unable to enter the USA to attend academic conferences because of a pot charges he was convicted of as an undergraduate. He didn't even realize he would have problems until he stepped off a plane. They sent him home on the first flight back.
how lucky we were to go sailing in the 80's 90's and early 2000's,slowly the whole world is becoming more restrictive,and yes bash europe is going the same way as well,day by day or freedoms are chipped away from us all in the name of making the world a safer place.....................
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Re: Turned away by customs?

Well, depends on the country. At places your boat will get impounded (the word?). At other places they do not really care.

Do not try this in Central America, Australia nor NZ though ...

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sorry are we confusing immigration laws with customs laws here? the post was about being denied entry by customs.
I would agree that everybody - except you and I - posting in this thread including the OP have totally confused "Customs" with "Immigration." Customs does not refuse "individuals" from entering a country - Customs refuses the boat or vessel/vehicle and also checks on anything in/on the thing or that you may be carrying in your luggage/person that may violate importation regulations.
- - Immigration deals with people, not the vehicle/vessel. Immigration checks you against "watch lists" or other "undesirable" person lists or checks whether you need a "pre-approved visa" versus a on-the-spot visitors visa.
- - Sometimes one official will preform both functions in one office. And at other times you have to go between different offices and officials to accomplish the whole clearance procedure. Sometimes there are other officials who need to "clear" you besides Customs and Immigration.
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There is obviously way more to the story than is posted. A twenty year old driving charge will not get you kicked out of here.
I new a guy that was not allowed in Canada because he had 3 DUI's over 35 years, I guess in some states (or his) your 3rd DUI is a felony, he spent 120 days in jail for the 3rd one. He was entering by car from Michgan, they said no dice to him.

Edit: Sorry, just read Capngeo's post, back on topic.
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Re: Turned away by customs?

I agree with osirissail. The Immigration department issues visas to non citizens in the form of a visa to allow you the priviledge of staying in their country. If they don't want you in their country for what ever reason and you are traveling by boat, a short visa will be given to you to allow you to prepare to leave. Your boat may be inspected to validate your claim of repairs needed. Be sure to check out before you leave.

I have a friend who kept his boat in Trinidad for 11 years while he flew back to the US every 180 days, until he returned and was told by immigration that he had 20 days to get his boat out of Trinidad. His boat had considerable mantainence issus and sank on the way to Granada. .
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Re: Turned away by customs?

To answer the OP about yachting, not DUI driving a car in Canada.

Yes you will be granted safe harbor and will have to leave ASAP.
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There is obviously way more to the story than is posted. A twenty year old driving charge will not get you kicked out of here.
Not necessarily. About 10yr ago there was a story in the Seattle Times about a guy and his wife who were building their retirement home in BC somewhere not terribly far from the border while still living in Blaine, Ferndale, Bellingham, don't remember. About 2/3 the way thru the process customs dinged him for a 10 or 20yr old DWI and denied him entry. There was an appeal process that was pending at the time of the article, but I never saw a follow up.

Each country gets to set their own rule for entry and foreigners get to play by them or get sent away.

My personal feeling is why should the Canadians be any more lenient about letting people with poor histories in than the US?
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Re: Turned away by customs?

What Unicorn said. I'm pretty sure there is some international convention that says you just can't be chucked back out to sea. I think you would find you would be escorted to a secure berth and given a short time frame (12hrs ????) to resupply then you'd be given the 'see you later and don't come back' order.

Depending on which country would probably depend on just how all that happened. In one at the moment I'd expect the escort to be a Battle Group and the old fella with a cupper in his hand that normally overseas the dock to be replaced by 50 Navy Seals with a drone circling overhead all night or at least that's the impression we get from afar. Down here the old fella would probably be given a dog for extra security, if he was lucky, and the escort to be some fella in a small RIB chatting to his girlfriend on his iPh. They would still boot you back out pretty damn fast though.

Mind you in these days of data sharing by the time you got here the Navy may have been able to wind the rubber band up enough to get a ship moving to come out and meet you, assuming a Navy ship was actually on this side of the world at the time. It's pretty hard to get anywhere un-noticed and without someone knowing you're on the way these days.
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