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Old 30-07-2016, 15:27   #1
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Taking someone else's documented sailing vessel from the USA to Canada and back. Any

A good friend of mine who is also a licensed Captain is using my boat to sail from Washington State up into the Gulf islands of Canada and back. She is a documented vessel, when he goes through customs is there any paperwork he might be asked to show to prove he is allowed to use the vessel?

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Re: Taking someone else's documented sailing vessel from the USA to Canada and back.

I'm not sure, hopefully someone may know. Maybe just call Can Customs? I would certainly give him a letter stating he is using it with your permission. Maybe notarized.
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Old 30-07-2016, 16:59   #3
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Re: Taking someone else's documented sailing vessel from the USA to Canada and back.

Thanks Cheechako, I was hoping that that would be all he needed. He actually has a financial interest in my boat but is not on the documentation. He is listed on the insurance papers however, so that would probably help as well but I just wondered because there are people who do informal deliveries and things like that on this list, who probably know if there is anything special he needs to have. I was hoping to avoid the long waits on hold and multiple push numbers game that often happens when you are trying to reach government bureaucracies.

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Old 30-07-2016, 23:45   #4
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Re: Taking someone else's documented sailing vessel from the USA to Canada and back.

Would not hurt to give your friend a "To whom it may concern" and include in it the geographical limits of usage in case they get the urge to go to the Caribbean - always a risk with folks up there??
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Re: Taking someone else's documented sailing vessel from the USA to Canada and back.

If it is Documented in Canada, they may request tax, if not already paid, on arrival or worse.

They may assume that the vessel will not return to the USA.

Caution.
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Re: Taking someone else's documented sailing vessel from the USA to Canada and back.

Write it up as a simple one or two page bareboat (demise) charter agreement. This is the standard way to transfer operational responsibility for a vessel from the owner to another party. Properly written it also severs owner's responsibilities under the Jones Act (absent this, the Jones Act might consider the owner to be carrying passengers for hire on the vessel). Charter agreements can be very simple and are almost universally recognized in the maritime industry. Not much more than a letter, it can still specify limits of operation, period of charter, insurance, running costs, etc.
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Re: Taking someone else's documented sailing vessel from the USA to Canada and back.

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Write it up as a simple one or two page bareboat (demise) charter agreement. This is the standard way to transfer operational responsibility for a vessel from the owner to another party. Properly written it also severs owner's responsibilities under the Jones Act (absent this, the Jones Act might consider the owner to be carrying passengers for hire on the vessel). Charter agreements can be very simple and are almost universally recognized in the maritime industry. Not much more than a letter, it can still specify limits of operation, period of charter, insurance, running costs, etc.
That sounds like doing business in Canada...? maybe not good?
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Re: Taking someone else's documented sailing vessel from the USA to Canada and back.

About the same as taking a rental car across the border and back, which is pretty common. Probably > 50% of ships are operated under a charter agreement, and they move between ports and countries all the time.
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Re: Taking someone else's documented sailing vessel from the USA to Canada and back.

If the boat is documented in the u.s. then it is owned by a us owner. no taxes are applicable. If it was owned by a canadian it can not be documented in the us and would be taxed on entry into canada except if coming into the country for repairs or seasonal storage.
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Re: Taking someone else's documented sailing vessel from the USA to Canada and back.

A letter giving permission and make sure you have the current USCoastguard Certificate of Documentation with you on the boat.
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Taking someone else's documented sailing vessel from the USA to Canada and ba...

Gotta be easy, or boat deliveries would be a bear, yet they occur all the time, maybe ask a delivery Capt? And I believe it is very common for the wealthy to have their boat delivered from port to port while they take the jet.
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