State title or USCG documentation ?

[saint]

Just purchased a used sail boat the seler is offering a USCG documentations and claiming that is better than having a state (Florida ) title .there's advantage in having USCG documentation over a state title ?

[S/V Illusion]

None unless you
1. require financing to purchase it, or
2. plan to take it out of the U.S.
FL and most other states require you to pay tax regardless

[saint]

hello, thanks , Yes I plan to take the boat out the US (cruising) , if I have a Florida title I can't take the boat out the US ? I understand that the taxes has to be paid regardeless. also was mentioned that with the USCG docs. the boat can not be seizade in event of any problems in other countries. any true in this ?

[Therapy]

Everything I have read points to USCG doc.

[Chuck Baier]

saint, Documentation has nothing to do with whether the boat can be seized outside the US. Other countries can do as they please. Documentation is a recognize proof of ownership and that is about it. Some countries outside the US do not recognize state registration and that is where your problem may or may not come up. You can indeed take the boat out of the country with a state registration but clearing in to certain countries might be a problem so it depends on where you plan to travel. You would not have an issue in say the Bahamas. If financing the bank will certainly want the boat documented and will file a lien.

[David Bond]

Documentation is the current USCG implementation of one of the oldest forms of private ownership in the western world. Maritime law predates most other law and our US law can trace it's roots to British Admiralty law.
Documentation, once obtained renews automatically for no charge on an annual basis. The actual official document has a heat sensitive ink in one corner to provide the CG a way to guard against color photocopying as of 2007 and provide instant proof during boarding.
A documentation history available from the CG will show all past owners and leinholders such as mortgage holders and may also show past tax or mechanic's leins.
The history will also show all the names the boat had had over the years.
It took me over two years to return my boat to documented status as there was an unsatisfied lein from the 1970's- I had to get a letter from the original lender proving that the loan had been paid off and send it to the CG Documentation center.
Even though the state I dock my boat in would like me to register I don't bother - the CG doesn't care if they board you!
I say take the documentation if you can get it, it will make selling the boat outside your state easier and provide a continuous chain of title in the future.

[Chief Engineer]

If you come to Maryland, (Motto: If you enjoy it...we can tax it) do not spend any more than six months here......you will have to pay taxes......The DNR does check and another thing....The six months do not have to be continuous...2 here...3 there....1 there poof
Here come da tax man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[saint]

Thank all for the information was very helpfull ,all that I need to find out ,yes I have plans to sail to Brazil and other places , so the broker is working to get CG documentation I was against it before , but now I see the advantages in keep traking about any past liens on the vessel that is 1977 , and I dont have to much history on this boat , so I'm getting CG docs.
Thanks again.

[rebel heart]

USCG. It's actually easier once you get it from a renewal prospective. It doesn't cost a dime for renewals, and I don't have to deal with the DMV.

[ksmith]

My boat has a plaque mounted in an out of the way place. Was just wondering if it might have something to do with USCG Doc.

Now I feel really dumb. Should have gotten a picture or at least a description.

About 6 inches wide by 24 long numbers and letters like some kind of ID.

Boat is a 1970 Tartan 27. Still has the orginal plate with hull number

[GreatKetch]

Originally Posted by ksmith

My boat has a plaque mounted in an out of the way place. Was just wondering if it might have something to do with USCG Doc.

Now I feel really dumb. Should have gotten a picture or at least a description.

About 6 inches wide by 24 long numbers and letters like some kind of ID.

Boat is a 1970 Tartan 27. Still has the orginal plate with hull number

If it has numbers and letters it is NOT a USCG "Official Number". Those are numbers only. They are not the same as not are they related to the "hull number" assigned when it was built.

Bill

[Hud3]

Actually, if it's a USCG doc number, it will have two letters: NO. As in NO1234567, at least 3" high and mounted so that they cannot easily be removed. I put mine on the hull in the anchor locker, covered with epoxy resin.

[ksmith]

Hud,

Thanks mine reads NO 526515
NET 6

and is mounted to the rear bulkhead on the Starboard side.

[GreatKetch]

Originally Posted by Hud3

Actually, if it's a USCG doc number, it will have two letters: NO. As in NO1234567, at least 3" high and mounted so that they cannot easily be removed. I put mine on the hull in the anchor locker, covered with epoxy resin.

You are 100% correct! I forgot all about the "NO" in front!

P.S., I suspect the "NET 6" is refering to the net registered tonnage of the boat (which is not the same as its weight) and is not normally required as part of the number attached to the hull. Sounds about right for a Tarten 27