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Old 19-03-2015, 22:51   #16
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Re: Scary Night Encounter with Homeland Security

Sounds like more "Rambo" kind of mentality by those who are supposed to protect & serve. No lights, at night is irresponsible imho, they'd write us up for doing same, correct? We are becoming a quas-militarized police state in some cases. What happened to passé comitatus? Also, federal agencies tend to expand their footprint & show presence , all in the name of justifying one of the largest budgeted agencies & staffed in the Fed Budget. Use it one lose it, so they use the heck out of it to justify a ridiculous budget. I'm tired of big brother flexing their muscles.


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Old 19-03-2015, 23:06   #17
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Some people ,without thought ,easily give away their freedoms and rights guaranteed by the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. Generally, these are usually people who have never read nor understand these documents and do not know the History of the US and our historical fight for freedom from King George III-the German King of England. They feel more comfortable under the Big Thumb of government. It is how they have been hardwired from birth. I think IceOps, a former CG and man of experience, said it best. Remember, a house rarely falls without reason . . . it usually rots one timber at a time.
So true. And what's ironic is that these very same people who domestically are oblivious to the fact of the "big brother" encroaching it's bootprint upon our way of life are the first ones to notice the governments run amock in a some distant foreign lands. Truly seeing the splinter in someone else's eye without seeing a log in one's own.
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Old 20-03-2015, 23:53   #18
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Ben Franklin Quotes. “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.”
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Old 21-03-2015, 00:21   #19
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Having been boarded by Homeland Security I can attest to the drastic differences between theirs and Coast Guard protocols.

Pouncing out of the night seems to be the preferred method of the men in black.
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You should complain to your local govt office, that way they'll put you on the "safety inspection upon every siting" list.
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Having been boarded by Homeland Security I can attest to the drastic differences between theirs and Coast Guard protocols.

Pouncing out of the night seems to be the preferred method of the men in black.
I'm curious as to why we have to have these additional agencies when we have five branches of defense already which can cover the need to enforce the laws. The regulations that have been developed and improved upon in the armed forces over 200 years are far better for the civilian and armed forces personnel. I expect that FEMA, DHS, EPA, TSA, etc. are created to give them autonomy to make their own rules and deal with the public with their own agenda.

No doubt in my mind that the CG are diligent but polite.

My Army unit (14th ACR) were border guards up until the end of WWII when it was moved to GDR on the East border. Why do we need ICE?

I'm just saying the organization was there already and the accountability was there to deal with the thugs that want to break the rules. Who is policing the police?

We have let good intensions enslave us with way too many laws that are only enforced selectively by unelected bully's.
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The Constitution of the United States, laws, regulations, policies, and other legal issueslimit the use of federal military personnel in domestic support operations.*Any Army involvement in civil disturbance it home land intrusions operations involves many legal issues requiring comprehensive legal reviews. However,federal forces are authorized for use in civil disturbance and hinge land operations under certain circumstances. The military is trained to do 1 thing and we do it well kill. When you start asking it to do operations other than what it was originally train for the military becomes weaker.

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We had a very unpleasant encounter this summer when returning from the Canadian Gulf Islands to Roche Harbor in the San Juan Islands. We were in a group of 7 small (26') sailboats checking thru Immigration and Customs in this quiet recreational port. The officials on the Canadian side were most polite and helpful so we were thinking of doing this trip again. But the officials on the American side were rude and belligerent so much so that they had my wife in tears. And they were the same to the rest of our flotilla. No excuse for this behavior. If foreign tourism is down I can understand why.
The a$$holes at Roche have been mentioned many, many times in lots of boating forums. A breed to be despised. There are many other places to check in close by without those jerks.
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The Constitution of the United States, laws, regulations, policies, and other legal issueslimit the use of federal military personnel in domestic support operations.*Any Army involvement in civil disturbance it home land intrusions operations involves many legal issues requiring comprehensive legal reviews. However,federal forces are authorized for use in civil disturbance and hinge land operations under certain circumstances. The military is trained to do 1 thing and we do it well kill. When you start asking it to do operations other than what it was originally train for the military becomes weaker.

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The Constitution of the United States, laws, regulations, policies, and other legal issueslimit the use of federal military personnel in domestic support operations.*Any Army involvement in civil disturbance it home land intrusions operations involves many legal issues requiring comprehensive legal reviews. However,federal forces are authorized for use in civil disturbance and hinge land operations under certain circumstances. The military is trained to do 1 thing and we do it well kill. When you start asking it to do operations other than what it was originally train for the military becomes weaker.

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Good answer, and most likely correct. So lets say let the retired Service Officers and veterans make up the domestic requirements under the same organization and respect to the Constitution of the United States. Bureaucrats just don't abide. Too many chiefs run by politicians.
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Homeland Security bad@ss boat running with no lights doing about 25 knots.
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Their crossing our path with so little clearance was startling so I shut it down to idle speed and said WTH!
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I guess they were just doing their job and we are lucky to have them out there protecting our coasts but it was a bit spooky.
Breaking the law... operating in a manner which results in other people feeling legitimately unsafe... but gee thanks for giving us the run around when we express displeasure.

Not what I refer to as lucky...
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