Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 08-09-2017, 17:08   #76
Senior Cruiser
 
StuM's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43
Posts: 6,439
Re: Rules of the road on the Chesepeake Bay

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete7 View Post
I wish people would stop referring to them as "rules of the road"
Me too, but that's what the Thread Title says (and that's why I used the "scary quotes"
__________________

__________________
StuM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2017, 17:20   #77
Senior Cruiser
 
StuM's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43
Posts: 6,439
Re: Rules of the road on the Chesepeake Bay

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adelie View Post
Pete:

COLREGS carriage is required for all vessels 12m and over operating on "Inland" waters of the US.

Not a rule you would be aware of unless you'd boated here or had something similar in the U.K.

Adelie
Not true.

Why would COLREGs be required to be carried on "inland" waters, since they don't apply there.

The requirement under 33 CFR 83.01(g) is to carry a copy of the "Inland Navigation Rules"

(g) The operator of each self-propelled vessel 12 meters or more in length shall carry, on board and maintain for ready reference, a copy of these Rules.


So the question remains, who requires COLREGs to be carried?
__________________

__________________
StuM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2017, 04:46   #78
Registered User
 
ranger42c's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Maryland, USA
Boat: 42' Sportfish
Posts: 2,842
Re: Rules of the road on the Chesepeake Bay

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Cate View Post
Do these "watermen" show the appropriate day shapes for "engaged in fishing"?

No, nor would they qualify. Moving from pot to pot, or running along a trotline, it's just a powerboat. Lifting a pot from time to time isn't really an encumbrance, and it's easy to disengage from a trotline to maneuver if necessary.

I'm less clear on the oyster dredges; I don't think they have much mobility when the dredge is working. Haven't seen day shapes on those either, though.

Kinda odd (for me) these last few days pushing 180-200 tows across the river here, but everyone gave us a decently wide berth, even the Navy YPs.

-Chris
__________________
Selby Bay, South River, Chesapeake Bay, USA.
ranger42c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2017, 06:23   #79
Registered User
 
Auspicious's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Chesapeake Bay
Boat: HR 40
Posts: 1,769
Send a message via Skype™ to Auspicious
Re: Rules of the road on the Chesepeake Bay

Quote:
Originally Posted by StuM View Post
So the question remains, who requires COLREGs to be carried?
That would be the IMO, who don't. They are "recommended" carriage. Source: https://www.amnautical.com/blogs/new...s#.WbPnr8aQyHs is not official but seems credible.
__________________
S/V Auspicious
AuspiciousWorks
Beware cut and paste sailors
Auspicious is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2017, 08:29   #80
CF Adviser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Boat: Custom Van De Stadt 47 Samoa
Posts: 3,698
Re: Rules of the road on the Chesepeake Bay

Ok, so I actually asked the USCG navcenter (who have an expert group that answers colreg questions).

Their answer is in two parts.

Part #1: for the purposes of the OP and any recreational boater in such a situation the only question to ask is whether the crabbing boat is flying the appropriate lights/day shapes (rule 26) signals. If they are you should considered them engaged in fishing, and if they are not you should not. USCG do not want you second guessing the signals.

Part #2: the USCG will investigate, and will potentially take action, if fishing boats are spotted or reported miss-using the 'engaged in fishing' signals - like flying those signals when they are transiting to or from the fishing grounds and not fishing (up around buzzards bay there are a lot of boats with the cones permanently welded in place and thus always up - which the USCG would hold against them if there was ever an incident). They said that generally they don't consider small crab and lobster potters to be restricted in maneuver, but that determination has to be made case by case, and they are unwilling/unable to make a blanket statement.
__________________
estarzinger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2017, 09:16   #81
Moderator
 
Dockhead's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Cowes (Winter), Baltic (Summer) (the boat!); somewhere in the air (me!)
Boat: Cutter-Rigged Moody 54
Posts: 18,964
Re: Rules of the road on the Chesepeake Bay

Quote:
Originally Posted by estarzinger View Post
Ok, so I actually asked the USCG navcenter (who have an expert group that answers colreg questions).

Their answer is in two parts.

Part #1: for the purposes of the OP and any recreational boater in such a situation the only question to ask is whether the crabbing boat is flying the appropriate lights/day shapes (rule 26) signals. If they are you should considered them engaged in fishing, and if they are not you should not. USCG do not want you second guessing the signals.

Part #2: the USCG will investigate, and will potentially take action, if fishing boats are spotted or reported miss-using the 'engaged in fishing' signals - like flying those signals when they are transiting to or from the fishing grounds and not fishing (up around buzzards bay there are a lot of boats with the cones permanently welded in place and thus always up - which the USCG would hold against them if there was ever an incident). They said that generally they don't consider small crab and lobster potters to be restricted in maneuver, but that determination has to be made case by case, and they are unwilling/unable to make a blanket statement.
Extremely interesting and useful; thanks for getting that!
__________________
"Parce que je suis heureux en mer, et peut-ętre pour sauver mon ame. . . "
Dockhead is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 13-09-2017, 08:40   #82
Registered User
 
AKA-None's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Lake City MN
Boat: C&C 27 Mk III
Posts: 138
Re: Rules of the road on the Chesepeake Bay

Quote:
Originally Posted by StuM View Post
Please, can we just stop using the word "rights" completely?
For the umpteenth time - you have no rights to assert on the water!


Thank you.

We have obligations not rights per the colregs.
And that obligation is to not run into each other.
__________________
Special knowledge can be a terrible disadvantage if it leads you too far along a path that you cannot explain anymore.
Frank Herbert 'Dune'
AKA-None is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-09-2017, 08:51   #83
Registered User
 
TheOffice's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Annapolis
Boat: Hylas 44
Posts: 497
Re: Rules of the road on the Chesepeake Bay

Sorry for using the term 'right of way'. The Preamble to Section A of the racing rules is entitled Right of Way. And yes, while racing you also have a duty to avoid a collision.
__________________
TheOffice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-09-2017, 12:53   #84
Senior Cruiser
 
StuM's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43
Posts: 6,439
Re: Rules of the road on the Chesepeake Bay

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOffice View Post
Sorry for using the term 'right of way'. The Preamble to Section A of the racing rules is entitled Right of Way. And yes, while racing you also have a duty to avoid a collision.
And it specifically says:
"A boat has right of way over another boat when the other boat is required to keep clear of her. However, some rules in Sections B, C and D limit the actions of a right-of-way boat."

It's been discussed in other COLREGS threads.

You won't find anything similar anywhere in COLREGS

When sailboat racing (including multihulls ) under the RRS, one boat frequently does have ROW over the other and is permitted to manoeuver in many situations. But when a racing sailboat meets a non-racing sailboat, the racing sailboat is bound by COLREGS or appropriate Inland Rules not RRS (see preamble to RRS Part 2)
__________________
StuM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-09-2017, 21:23   #85
Registered User
 
AKA-None's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Lake City MN
Boat: C&C 27 Mk III
Posts: 138
Re: Rules of the road on the Chesepeake Bay

Comparing racing rules to colregs is like comparing NASCAR to a driving test
__________________

__________________
Special knowledge can be a terrible disadvantage if it leads you too far along a path that you cannot explain anymore.
Frank Herbert 'Dune'
AKA-None is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Wanted For Free: CHESEPEAKE BAY MAGAZINE MARCH 2016 ISSUE #10 VOL 45 Clamdigger General Classifieds (no boats) 0 15-01-2017 10:56
Maneuvering Sound Signals - The Rules of the Road Mariners Commercial Posts 2 28-09-2011 09:11
Courtesy vs the Rules of the Road James Baines General Sailing Forum 42 25-04-2011 18:33
The Rules of the Road (or Lack Thereof) Janae General Sailing Forum 15 10-11-2010 08:23
Rules of The Road Too Confusing? unbusted67 Rules of the Road, Regulations & Red Tape 102 07-02-2009 17:32


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 22:44.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.