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Old 01-11-2013, 19:06   #1
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RCD Forbids Small Ocean Going Boats

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"... One such is the EU:s RCD the recreational craft directive. The RCD forbids Small Ocean going boats. When I exhibited my boat in Stockholm I got a note stating that I was forbidden to sell it or use it. I asked them what they were going to do about that. If you sell it we will destroy the boat, they said..."

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Re: RCD Forbids Small Ocean Going Boats

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Re: RCD Forbids Small Ocean Going Boats

While I respect Yrvind, there are a number of exceptions to the directive that he would fall under that would allow his vessels to set sail. My guess is that he was dealing with a poorly informed beurocract that doesn't really understand the rules.

Article 1 - Scope and Definitions
2. The following shall be excluded from the scope of this Directive
A (vi) - experimental craft, provided that they are not subsequently placed on the Community market;

(vii) craft built for own use, provided that they are not subsequently placed on the Community market during a period of five years;


Deeper in the rules there are seaworthiness requirements that his vessel would also likely meet.
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Does it or does it not?

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"... One such is the EU:s RCD the recreational craft directive. The RCD forbids Small Ocean going boats. When I exhibited my boat in Stockholm I got a note stating that I was forbidden to sell it or use it. I asked them what they were going to do about that. If you sell it we will destroy the boat, they said..."

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The RCD as enacted by the European Parliament makes no limits of where a particular RCD class can sail. Hence the RCD does not prohibit using any class in any sea area. Some governments have local laws , but that's different

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Re: RCD Forbids Small Ocean Going Boats

This is what I would think too, based on my (limited) knowledge of the RCD.

Still, the guy say in his post he was 'forbidden to sell (understandably) or USE his boat (sic!).

Now I am puzzled. I might be reading his post wrong.

Sure thing, if he wants to go, he will. He did before.

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Categorically outside of national laws , the RCD does restrict any RCD class to any sailing area. Furthermore , if the boat is amateur built there is no requirement to comply with the RCD at all. There is however a prohibition on selling the boat for 5 years. However you can apply for a post construction RCD certification and treat the boat like any other commercial production.

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You are so lucky to live in the EU. People are not competent to make consumer choices for themselves.
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You are so lucky to live in the EU. People are not competent to make consumer choices for themselves.
HA HA HA

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Thanks everybody for your feedback. I clearly read something wrong or the author put something wrong in his post!

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You are so lucky to live in the EU. People are not competent to make consumer choices for themselves.
You might want to look at Gatoraid and BVO before comparing the relevant markets and their controls. ( and labelling standards). People can hardly make " choices " when the laws allow companies to lie to you

Or look at GM labelling issues etc

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We forget that the US coast guard can stop any voyage that they deem reckless . The problem I see is that giving young officers that authority when they probably dont know the difference between a fool, and a well found small boat, can lead to stupid mistakes. I have seen 19 foot swedish boats that I could take across an ocean, and i have seen 40 footers that scared me. Giving authority to ignorant people is a huge problem. 2 cents worth. _____)Grant.
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You might want to look at Gatoraid and BVO before comparing the relevant markets and their controls. ( and labelling standards). People can hardly make " choices " when the laws allow companies to lie to you

Or look at GM labelling issues etc

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Pretty funny when folks say the euro daddy tells them what todo but fails to see the connection with corp USA working to tell us nothing.

So, if the builder wanted to leave in his boat couldn't he just leave?
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Pretty funny when folks say the euro daddy tells them what todo but fails to see the connection with corp USA working to tell us nothing.

So, if the builder wanted to leave in his boat couldn't he just leave?
The European Recreational Craft Directive, contains no provisions that determine the "use " of the vessel. Merely quality standards ( whatever they are) to ensure that a boat marked as RCD A, B,C or D comply with the RCD. No restrictions are placed on usage area. Engliah Narrowboats ( Class D , still water) have crossed the irish sea on occasion.

Equally unlike the ABYC, there is no requirement to maintain the vessel in "Class" subsequently

Furthermore amateur built craft are completely exempt from the provisions of the RCD, though many builders seek a post construction cert anyway.

Only Portugal, to my knowledge has rules controlling the sea area that its flag vessels are allowed in to my knowledge. whether they enforce it is another issue. ( They are in general an officious nation IMHO)

The issue is moot really

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Gatorade and GM foods discussion supports my assertion.
As a teenage football player in the 1970s, it was obvious to me that Gatorade was 95% hype. Examining the claims shows that its basically water with salt and sugar in it. All the other ingredients are the hype.
GM foods---there is no credible scientific research to back the allegation that GM foods are any less heathy than for example traditional cross bred crops (thanks luther Burbank). Thanks to lack of rationality, millions of Asian kids suffer from rickets because GM "golden rice" is banned. Millions of children are susceptible to terrible illnesses because of Jenny McCarthy's etc. opposition to vaccines. Billions are spent on vitamin and similar supplements without proof of efficacy.
Adding another layer of regulation just drives up compliance costs for little benefit.
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