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Old 10-07-2013, 15:22   #16
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Wait -- July 29, 2013? Isn't today the 10th?
Sorry. Was June 29.
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Long before we had car inspections we had the development of driver's licenses.

I wonder how many people would be outraged if they were required to pass a sailing test and get a photo ID, or not be allowed to sail their boat?
Um... they DO have that in Maryland and Virginia. Luckily, I am an old fart according to the law and am grandfathered in.

http://www.dnr.state.md.us/boating/safety/require.asp

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At least somebody is standing up! Kudos to those states....
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Old 10-07-2013, 15:52   #19
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Sorry. Was June 29.
Oh ... I just thought you were just a bit "suh-y-kik," as Daphne Moon would say!
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Um... they DO have that in Maryland and Virginia. Luckily, I am an old fart according to the law and am grandfathered in.

Don't underestimate the ability of the government to spend your money on expensive things in the most inefficient ways possible.

They are grandfathering it in in Florida, too, but it's only a written test. You don't have to turn "book-larnin" into practical skills. Still, it's better than nothing.
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Yeah kudos to the states who passed it. What puzzles me is when I was boarded in Canadian waters by a combined force of Mich State Police, USCG and others.
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Yeah kudos to the states who passed it. What puzzles me is when I was boarded in Canadian waters by a combined force of Mich State Police, USCG and others.

Good heavens! Did they ever explain it to you? it sounds like some kind of combined task force. Did your boat resemble one they were actively looking for?

Well, I know how that works. Paramedics showed up at our club one day looking for someone who needed help on his boat. "Help us find you," the operator said. "what does your boat look like?"

"It's a white sailboat ..."

They found him in the other marina and got him to the hospital in time, after club members fanned out to all our docks and checked every open boat.
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Yeah kudos to the states who passed it. What puzzles me is when I was boarded in Canadian waters by a combined force of Mich State Police, USCG and others.
We have to watch you Canadians pretty closely. No telling when a million of you will come screaming over the border with hockey sticks held in the air threatening to shake the foundation of our democracy.
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Re: Random Stops of Boaters Unconstitutional

My only interaction with water police was a few years ago at Redondo Beach, CA. I was headed for the harbor and began lowering my sails with half a mile to go. As I am busy doing this (single-hander) here comes a police boat moving fast with lights flashing. I am worried he will crash into me so I try to wave him off. As he gets close (too close) I ask what is going on. He saw my mainsail flapping and thought I must be in distress! Just trying to be helpful and apparently had never thought someone might reduce sail before entering the harbor.

The nicest interaction with Harbor Patrol people was at Isthmus Cove at Catalina Island. I arrived at 11 PM and the harbor boat that responded to my call for a mooring offered to give me a tow and help me get tied up. He said he was a single-hander too and I must be tired and he wanted to help. (He also wanted to avoid an accident caused by me.)
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I'm pretty cool with USCG checks... if we are going to ask them to come out and save us and risk their lives at the least opportune time, we at least owe them some assurances that we have done at least the minimum to assure that they stand a reasonable chance of success.
If you lived near New London Connecticut, you may change your opinion. The Coast Guard school is located there and they run training by setting up boats at the mouth of harbors and stopping everyone going in and out for inspections. Believe me, waiting for an hour to receive your 6th inspection in a month just to go for an afternoon daysail gets old very fast.

And to stay on topic, the local police often piggyback on this and you get ANOTHER inspection as soon as the last coastie steps off (one usually not anywhere near as polite or professional - the coasties are professionals, the police are simply thugs).

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We have to watch you Canadians pretty closely. No telling when a million of you will come screaming over the border with hockey sticks held in the air threatening to shake the foundation of our democracy.
Not to mention curling stones - those things can do a lot of damage!

Luckily, they aren't so smart, so they are easy to catch...

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If it is a state stop, then it is all about drugs and/or alcohol. They are going to have a "conversation" with you, hoping they can turn up anything that would lead them to suspect that you are chemically impaired, or transporting contraband. That one indication, and it could be something as simple as a slight stutter, or a whiff of your aftershave, gives them all they need to do a full arrest and search. They are not being friendly, they are doing the job they are paid to do -- make the state money.

A few videos showing how far they are allowed to go:

There are quite a few of them on youTube. Also, Google "Terry stop".

Be safe!
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Old 10-07-2013, 22:19   #28
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Our corner of Lake Ontario is getting terrible for this sort of thing. Marine police aren't a daily occurrence here, they're an hourly one. The local marine police will hover by the breakwall and pull over every single boat trying to leave, then go after them for the smallest things. It's getting to the point where I think they're more of a danger than unprepared boaters are.

One of the guys at the Chandlery probably called it right, "They've got about six months to write a year's worth of tickets."
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If it is a state stop, then it is all about drugs and/or alcohol. They are going to have a "conversation" with you, hoping they can turn up anything that would lead them to suspect that you are chemically impaired, or transporting contraband. That one indication, and it could be something as simple as a slight stutter, or a whiff of your aftershave, gives them all they need to do a full arrest and search. They are not being friendly, they are doing the job they are paid to do -- make the state money.

A few videos showing how far they are allowed to go:

There are quite a few of them on youTube. Also, Google "Terry stop".

Be safe!

Wow, Ryan . . . great videos! I'm going to send those around to friends. What would the average Sheeple do?
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Wow, Ryan . . . great videos! I'm going to send those around to friends. What would the average Sheeple do?

What is it with the "sheeple?" You've described them, but I don't know them.
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