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Old 04-02-2012, 22:39   #16
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My mistake he only got 7 years. They went lenient on him. Brian Aitkin was the name.
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Old 04-02-2012, 22:56   #17
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Re: Question is how it can be allowed, not to do or not to do??

Here! Just goto a good source!>> NYS Gun Laws | NY Firearms - New York Firearm & Gun Ownership, Laws, Politics, Weapons | NY Firearms

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It is unlawful for any person to carry, possess or transport a handgun in or through the state unless he has a valid New York license. (A provision of federal law provides a defense to state or local laws which would prohibit the passage of persons with firearms in interstate travel if the person is traveling from any place where he may lawfully possess and transport a firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm and the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console).
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:00   #18
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My mistake he only got 7 years. They went lenient on him. Brian Aitkin was the name.
In New Jersey, possession of a firearm without a permit is a felony, punishable by a mandatory minimum sentence of five years in prison and a maximum of 10.
Brian Aitken was convicted and sentenced to seven years; which was subsequently commuted (by Gov. Christie) to “time served”.

Brian Aitken, New Jersey Gun Charge Commuted by Gov. Chris Christie - ABC News

Brian Aitken, New Jersey Prisoner on Gun Charge Appeals to Governor for Clemency - ABC News
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:22   #19
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In my opinion, you have three options. 1. Do not carry a firearm aboard and be helpless in the face of bad guys. 2. Carry a firearm and face a hassle from the authorities. or 3. Conceal the firearm where the possibility of casual inspection will not likely find it.

Announcing to anyone that you have a firearm aboard is looking for trouble. On the other hand, not having a firearm leaves you helpless in the unlikely event that your life is in danger. So, I would advise you to treat the weapon as if it was a fire extinguisher. Build a water tight and air tight place for it - say a false bottom in a stowage compartment - well oil the weapon and put it and the ammunition in a poly bag. Heat seal the bag and put it inside the compartment. Glass in the lid all around and across the top but with only one layer of cloth. When the glass has cured scrub out the compartment with clorox. Fill the compartment with PFDs or other light stowables and a can of transmition oil. Keep a box knife nearby. Then forget about the whole thing. Never tell anyone that the weapon is aboard. They do not need to know. If boarded by the authorities, forget you have a weapon at all. If you find you need the weapon (highly unlikely) for defence you can retrieve it quickly enough.

Remember, if you use a firearm for any reason at all, ever, you will be in trouble. No matter the circumstances there will be a lawyer out there looking for a piece of your hide. Think carefully before you act.
So THAT's why, they keep poking the bottom of my storage compartments with a box knife during boardings.
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In New Jersey, possession of a firearm without a permit is a felony, punishable by a mandatory minimum sentence of five years in prison and a maximum of 10.
Brian Aitken was convicted and sentenced to seven years; which was subsequently commuted (by Gov. Christie) to “time served”.

Brian Aitken, New Jersey Gun Charge Commuted by Gov. Chris Christie - ABC News

Brian Aitken, New Jersey Prisoner on Gun Charge Appeals to Governor for Clemency - ABC News
That case goes to show you :

don't talk to police.
And never, EVER consent to anything.
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Re #19, Yes. That's why your installation needs to be your best fiberglass workmanship. The false bottom should be 3/4" plywood. The edges should be faired into the compartment sidewalls with a talcum / resin fillet. The glass cloth should lap carefully into the sidewalls and be smoothed with more talcum / resin fairing compounding. The inside of the compartment should be painted. When the paint is fully cured go over all with wet and dry sandpaper. Repaint and re-sand until the bottom looks like it came out of the factory that way. Then repack the compartment contents and completely forget about the whole thing. Never touch the weapon unless you are soon to be boarded by serious bad guys. Never tell anyone that the weapon is there.

As for the authorities, stay away from them. Never talk to the police. Stay in the background and remain invisible as much as possible. Police are not there to help you. If the authorities come looking they will come looking for trouble. They will not be interested in coming to your aid when you are off the coast of Brazil. Of course there is a long tradition of sailor folk assisting one another but self help must be your primary strategy. That means protecting yourself from the authorities inshore and from criminals at sea.
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Most of the stricter laws have to do with handguns and concealed weapons.
That's an understatement when applied to ME, NH & VT at least. Opening day of deer season might as well be a national holiday. There are so many people who take it as a vacation day its tough to run some businesses...
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From: ➥ Brian Aitken, New Jersey Gun Charge Commuted by Gov. Chris Christie - ABC News...."But transporting a gun without a special permit or in a handful of exempt situations is illegal in New Jersey, giving officers no choice but to arrest Aitken and charge him with a crime." But law enforcement and prosecution is optional. The cop could have run a check on outstanding warrants or a criminal record and found that they were talking to a regular citizen. They could have cautioned him on his precarious situation and escorted him to obtain the required gun permits. The district attorney could have "no papered" Aitkin and declined to prosecute. But no. Aitkin was an easy mark. He was a nobody until he was somebody. He was an example of New Jersey's tough gun laws until the full story got into the media. Then Gov. Christie acted and did the right thing.

But say, what was the name of the prosecutor? That person should be a somebody too. His name should be known to the public just in case he ever wants to be a judge.
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A big NO
You can pass through the state if the gun is unloaded and the gun and ammo are locked up.
You cannot stop even to eat.
A guy got ten years in prison in New Jersey because his unloaded gun was in the trunk and he stopped overnight to load up things he had left behind when he moved out of state. He had a permit from another state.
EVEN though he asked the state police before he came in and they said it was ok.
That story was reported on a gun forum. Apparently, the guy was leaving (moving out of) NJ and that was why his out of state permit wasn't valid. You can not use a non resident or resident permit from another state while residing in NJ. That was his error. There was another guy that was moving back into NJ who also got pinched because he failed to register a firearm prior to returning; he thought that he could do it after he moved home.

Personally, I avoid those states with oppressive laws. I'll spend my tourist dollars elsewhere. I don't even buy fuel for my motorhome when passing through. I buy it before I cross into those states.
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Personally, I avoid those states with oppressive laws. I'll spend my tourist dollars elsewhere. I don't even buy fuel for my motorhome when passing through. I buy it before I cross into those states.
Probably the best course of action....Why don't the police go after the "criminals",...No profit.

Find a homeless thief robbing people at gunpoint in the park, fine him, (he has no money), He won't even pay his own lawyer fees. Put him in jail, he will happily eat at taxpayers expense until let out, then return to previous occupation.

All the police can do is seize his gun, and whatever cash he has on hand, and let him loose.

You or I however, can pay fines, court costs, lawyers, get paycheck levied, house, and car seized, etc... So your chief just ordered you to go find some "revenue", who do you go arrest?
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