Originally Posted by sushirama
I do understand fully the dangers of using a flare gun for its non-intended purpose. Id just shoot the flares. But there may come a time where you need to improvise and Im giving options. Those options without using guns(and parts) and ammo may be illegal everywhere. And I would think in the moment you need to create this you're not really concerned about what local law enforcement thinks about your plan. Or you may be the type that will just say "OMG I am creating a weapon that could be forbidden by local govt, ill just give up and let them kill me, r@pe my wife and eat my dog." and break out the lube. (use the John Stewart imitating Joe Lieberman voice for that quote)
If you don't care about local law enforcement , you don't care so why not conceal a proper firearm , that's why I say why bother. If on the other hand you don't want illegal ammunition, then this sort of thing is useless. What I meant was either you don't care and hence its useless compared to a proper firearm, or you do and it's illegal and therefore pointless
I know that I have a scuba tank, a valve, couple hundred chopsticks and some gas pipe on my boat. With that I can make some pretty devious things if needed.
You or more likely others, will just blow up their own arses with those sort of things, really
You come in here and condemn, but dont provide an alternative?
You dont carry a gun on your boat outside the US.
Youre in danger of being boarded and possibly killed.
You have about 5 minutes.
Remember I am starting from half baked, youre starting from scratch.
Effective self defence on a boat is a very tricky business , outside the US , carrying firearms is awkward, requires you to declare and usually surrender such weapons. Additionally most ban semi autos and handguns outright.
In practice on a boat you are likely to be caught unawares. Either you are asleep or you invite people on board who turn out to be not what you think they are. Usually you are not pre-warned and typically do not have time to arm yourself or create some of your half assed defensive weapons. ( this is based on the reports I've read of people boarded). Equally mistakingly shooting a badly dressed LEO , with an illegal firearm is going to put you in a world of pain.
Their is in fact no easy answer. The best I can offer is don't go to places where such crimes take place with any frequency. ( based on some people's armaments , this includes all coastal states of the US)
And do you have a list of those "most countries" specifics? I really hate when people use that generality and its really only like 7 or 15 out of the 261. Should I write a book or do a web page for clarification? Id like to work a list on what you can get away with to defend your self anywhere. Can we start with short sharp sticks and medium sized rocks and work our way out? Where are t-shirt launchers and propane illegal to use together? At what point is a spoon a weapon? Is coffee mate powder illegal anywhere? (though they changed the formula so it doesnt explode anymore) How about an Anarchist Cook Book for Boaters? oooh I may work on that.
A perusal of many countries that are typical cruising destinations ( mexico
, carribean, Med, Europe
etc) will show you
(A) you must at least declare and optionally secure your firearms
(B) many will detain the firearm for as long as you stay
(C) there are outright bans in some countries ( eg Mexico
(D) even the US has very very stringent laws for non citizens arriving on boats with firearms
(E) Hand guns and semi autos are very difficult to hold onto
I'm on the you dont need to carry guns if you know your options bandwagon.
Youre on the dont carry guns and I dont have any options for you cause Im too busy looking up muzzle velocities of flare guns that we already know are dangerous for you skateboard.
We know its not safe, its a given, what are your options?
Firstly, for the vast majority of cruisers cruising through normal cruising grounds or around the coasts ( and I'd even include the US) It is a safe place , that's a given , because its demonstrably true. Therefor there is no need for either a proper lethal defensive weapon or more so, some half assed unsafe DIY job.
is a fairly unique thing. I exercise it by avoiding trouble spots and troublesome People. It seems to work well, after 30 years of sailing I've never had any hassle.
After that, actually, I follow the advice of my brother in law , who is an armed response policeman . Do not antagonise your potential assailant He's much more triggered fingered then you are. , ie yes in some cases all you can you Is break out the lube" as you put it. Because the alternative is you'll never take the cap of a bottle again.
What amuses me is why people want to concoct half assed measures, equally illegal, yet ineffective. I target shoot I own handguns, semi autos and several shotguns. If I wanted to take a good , relatively easy to declare protection, I'd bring my mossberg pump. Few jurisdictions are problematic for shotguns , ammo is widely available and its lethal at close range without needing too much accuracy. In my country I can quite easily modify my firearms license
to carry this on my yacht
BUT. Why bother, its still a hassle ( I know , I've delivered boats with firearms aboard ) and its very unlikely in an emergency
I can get the mossberg out of hiding , load it and make ready.