NZ and Foreign Flagged Vessels

[goboatingnow]

Many of the requirements are valid and represent normal seamanship and boat husbandry. But others are difficult to apply to our form of sailing... things like requiring various certificates of construction and design that rule out home built boats, boats not designed by a recognized authority and so on. And then there is the requirement for specific formal training for skipper and crews... all good stuff, but not in every cruiser's CV. OH yes... the rules require an inboard engine to be fitted... and a trysail and storm jib of high visibility material. And so on...

I see no rule that "requires" an inboard engine.

Most of the NZ stuff is very similar to the RCD CE specifications in teh EU. Very hard to find fault with it, per say.

Dave

[boatman61]

I'm in agreement that an unseaworthy boat should be stopped/delayed from sailing... Boat Alexander for example... at least until more clement weather increases the odds of success of reaching the next country... which is what he's got right now..
However what is being proposed is not feasible...
What they'd gain from fewer SAR's they'd lose in court actions for false impounds and removal off freedom of rights...
but then..... it is a lawyer pushing this agenda..

[Bluewaters2812]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

I see no rule that "requires" an inboard engine.

Most of the NZ stuff is very similar to the RCD CE specifications in teh EU. Very hard to find fault with it, per say.

Dave

Easy to find fault with it ... it's draconian, overbearing and onerous to the extreme. Way out of 95% of the general sailing community's budget imo. I would never support it full stop. Imagine if every country had similar regs? We wouldn't be able to enter any port. Its ridiculous.

[Jim Cate]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

I see no rule that "requires" an inboard engine.

Most of the NZ stuff is very similar to the RCD CE specifications in teh EU. Very hard to find fault with it, per say.

Dave

Dave, sec 3.28.1 e sure seems to make such a requirement for Cats one and zero:

3.28 Engines, Generators, Fuel
3.28.1 Propulsion Engines **
a) Engines and associated systems shall be installed in accordance with their
manufacturers’ guidelines and shall be of a type, strength, capacity, and
installation suitable for the size and intended use of the yacht.
**
b) An inboard propulsion engine when fitted shall: be provided with a
permanently installed exhaust, coolant, and fuel supply systems and fuel
tank(s); be securely covered; and have adequate protection from the effects of
heavy weather.
**
c) A propulsion engine required by Special Regulations shall provide a minimum
speed in knots of (1.8 x square root of LWL in metres) or (square root of LWL
in feet)
MoMu0,1,2,3
e) An inboard propulsion engine shall be provided for yachts Mo0,1,2Mu0
3

PErhaps I misinterpret the wording...

Jim

[Bluewaters2812]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Dave, sec 3.28.1 e sure seems to make such a requirement for Cats one and zero:

3.28 Engines, Generators, Fuel
3.28.1 Propulsion Engines **
a) Engines and associated systems shall be installed in accordance with their
manufacturers’ guidelines and shall be of a type, strength, capacity, and
installation suitable for the size and intended use of the yacht.
**
b) An inboard propulsion engine when fitted shall: be provided with a
permanently installed exhaust, coolant, and fuel supply systems and fuel
tank(s); be securely covered; and have adequate protection from the effects of
heavy weather.
**
c) A propulsion engine required by Special Regulations shall provide a minimum
speed in knots of (1.8 x square root of LWL in metres) or (square root of LWL
in feet)
MoMu0,1,2,3
e) An inboard propulsion engine shall be provided for yachts Mo0,1,2Mu0
3

PErhaps I misinterpret the wording...

Jim

I guess the Pardey's won't be visitors to NZ then? Frankly, NZ not doing itself any favours worldwide by even talking about this nonsense.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Dave, sec 3.28.1 e sure seems to make such a requirement for Cats one and zero:

3.28 Engines, Generators, Fuel
3.28.1 Propulsion Engines **
a) Engines and associated systems shall be installed in accordance with their
manufacturers’ guidelines and shall be of a type, strength, capacity, and
installation suitable for the size and intended use of the yacht.
**
b) An inboard propulsion engine when fitted shall: be provided with a
permanently installed exhaust, coolant, and fuel supply systems and fuel
tank(s); be securely covered; and have adequate protection from the effects of
heavy weather.
**
c) A propulsion engine required by Special Regulations shall provide a minimum
speed in knots of (1.8 x square root of LWL in metres) or (square root of LWL
in feet)
MoMu0,1,2,3
e) An inboard propulsion engine shall be provided for yachts Mo0,1,2Mu0
3

PErhaps I misinterpret the wording...

Jim

well reading the 2013-2016 safety regulations doesn't seem to mention that.

dave

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Bluewaters2812

Easy to find fault with it ... it's draconian, overbearing and onerous to the extreme. Way out of 95% of the general sailing community's budget imo. I would never support it full stop. Imagine if every country had similar regs? We wouldn't be able to enter any port. Its ridiculous.

How so , most of whats there is also in ABYC, and the EU RCD. I accept neither of these are required to be kept "in class".

IN the UK the inland Boat SAfety Scheme has some such similar regulations and an inspection system.

Very little on that list would not be aboard a modern well prepared offshore (blue water as you guys like to rabbit on about).

Equally if you race offshore these requirements are very similar to Offshore Racing Regulations ( actually I suspect this is where NX started from).

AGain Im not in favour of abandoning comity, but at a sane level, little can be criticised in these regs.

dave

[Bluewaters2812]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

How so , most of whats there is also in ABYC, and the EU RCD. I accept neither of these are required to be kept "in class".

IN the UK the inland Boat SAfety Scheme has some such similar regulations and an inspection system.

Very little on that list would not be aboard a modern well prepared offshore (blue water as you guys like to rabbit on about).

Equally if you race offshore these requirements are very similar to Offshore Racing Regulations ( actually I suspect this is where NX started from).

AGain Im not in favour of abandoning comity, but at a sane level, little can be criticised in these regs.

dave

Let's agree to disagree then. Oh, and the UK is hardly a model to be proud of.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Bluewaters2812

Let's agree to disagree then. Oh, and the UK is hardly a model to be proud of.

Do tell.....

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Do tell.....

Yes enlighten us

dave

[Bluewaters2812]

Well, for a start, the inland waterways/reservoirs "health & safety" brigade make me want to puke. People in the UK are molly-coddled to death and can't live. They have so many tons of cotton-wool for everyone. I know, I have windsurfed and boated in UK waters. One is too worried about doing anything in case you are in "violation" of some "health & safety" reg. Anyway, enough said, I'm glad I'm outta here.

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by Bluewaters2812

Well, for a start, the inland waterways/reservoirs "health & safety" brigade make me want to puke. People in the UK are molly-coddled to death and can't live. They have so many tons of cotton-wool for everyone. I know, I have windsurfed and boated in UK waters. One is too worried about doing anything in case you are in "violation" of some "health & safety" reg. Anyway, enough said, I'm glad I'm outta here.

Ooooo. that's weak

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Bluewaters2812

Well, for a start, the inland waterways/reservoirs "health & safety" brigade make me want to puke. People in the UK are molly-coddled to death and can't live. They have so many tons of cotton-wool for everyone. I know, I have windsurfed and boated in UK waters. One is too worried about doing anything in case you are in "violation" of some "health & safety" reg. Anyway, enough said, I'm glad I'm outta here.

given the virtual complete absence of oversight or rules of anykind for sea based leisure vessels, Im not sure I see your argument here

dave

[Bluewaters2812]

Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey

Ooooo. that's week

I'm sure you meant weak? Not sure many people would regard that as "weak". I hate "health & safety" the way it is followed in the UK.

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by Bluewaters2812

I'm sure you meant weak? Not sure many people would regard that as "weak". I hate "health & safety" the way it is followed in the UK.

Yeah, weak - I got it right first time, changed it , then realised it was wrong and changed it back .

I guess your response a way of not getting into specifics?