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1 - thinik it's a great idea 3 6.25%
2 - not impresseed but it wouldn't stop me going there 9 18.75%
3- total indifference 5 10.42%
4- Bad idea and I'd try to let them know 14 29.17%
5- Deeply offensive - boycott the place. 17 35.42%
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Old 17-07-2013, 10:29   #31
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Anyway, am off to America (the free bits)........in my bath tub. legally.
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Yeah, weak - I got it right first time, changed it , then realised it was wrong and changed it back .

I guess your response a way of not getting into specifics?
Haha, the grammar granny beat you to it. Yip, I have a couple of "health & safety" water stories to tell but no need.
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Anyway, am off to America (the free bits)........in my bath tub. legally.
At least they will let you and it will be a great ride in the bath tub. make sure it's got its certificates and you are licensed and of course ... make sure the plug stays in.
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Old 17-07-2013, 10:34   #34
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I think it would OK for NZ to do this, as long as they check with CF for the requirements on boats/crews/equipment to follow.
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Well, for a start, the inland waterways/reservoirs "health & safety" brigade make me want to puke. People in the UK are molly-coddled to death and can't live. They have so many tons of cotton-wool for everyone. I know, I have windsurfed and boated in UK waters. One is too worried about doing anything in case you are in "violation" of some "health & safety" reg. Anyway, enough said, I'm glad I'm outta here.
Roll on the floor laughing my ass off..... damn I thought you were talking sailing... not kiddies paddling pools...
Go down to the sea... regulated areas for dangerous idiots on jet bikes and poseurs on w/skis.. a few springing up...
regulations stopping you from sailing... ZERO.
Only folks who get 'stopped' are the 'Captain Calamity' types who've already sunk or come to grief more than a few times... even the RNLI gets fed up after 7 or more rescues of the same idiot...
For myself... I hauled out of Brixham late one Nov on a non-stop across the Biscay... kinda Tasman/Bass Straits of the Northern Hemisphere..
When I radio'd my departure and told em 22ft, 1 on board... next destination Baiona.... "Good Sailing" was the reply...
No health/food inspections for visiting boats.. no lift-outs before you can enter a marina... all your required to do is phone Customs once your berthed and settled in.
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. all your required to do is phone Customs once your berthed and settled in.[/SIZE][/FONT]
not even that on a boat arriving from the EU with nothing to declare

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Roll on the floor laughing my ass off..... damn I thought you were talking sailing... not kiddies paddling pools...
Go down to the sea... regulated areas for dangerous idiots on jet bikes and poseurs on w/skis.. a few springing up...
regulations stopping you from sailing... ZERO.
Only folks who get 'stopped' are the 'Captain Calamity' types who've already sunk or come to grief more than a few times... even the RNLI gets fed up after 7 or more rescues of the same idiot...
For myself... I hauled out of Brixham late one Nov on a non-stop across the Biscay... kinda Tasman/Bass Straits of the Northern Hemisphere..
When I radio'd my departure and told em 22ft, 1 on board... next destination Baiona.... "Good Sailing" was the reply...
No health/food inspections for visiting boats.. no lift-outs before you can enter a marina... all your required to do is phone Customs once your berthed and settled in.
Well, I will say that I had no hassle skippering a boat across The Wash at night. Wasn't hassled by the dreaded health & Safety" brigade. Maybe the "sea regs" are more balanced than the inland waterways regs?
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Re: NZ and Foreign Flagged Vessels

The UK despite almost zero safety requirements for offshore pleasure boats does not suffer from a poor accident rate.
Despite the doom and gloom from governments, sailors on the whole make sensible decisions about suitable levels of safety equipment

Interestingly, meeting cruising boats from various origins there seems little difference in the overall seaworthiness of boats, despite coming from countries with vastly disparate regulations and requirments.

Perhaps those sailors coming from more liberal countries can afford better equipment and boats due to the reduced cost of compliance with all the red tape
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At least they will let you and it will be a great ride in the bath tub. make sure it's got its certificates and you are licensed and of course ... make sure the plug stays in.
wot dat?
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wot dat?
See EuroNorm EN198


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b) An inboard propulsion engine when fitted shall: be provided with a
permanently installed exhaust, coolant, and fuel supply systems and fuel
tank(s); be securely covered; and have adequate protection from the effects of
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They just want the regular stuff IF you have an inboard. It doesn't say you have to have one.
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wot dat?
Wot ... da plug? Me can't read regs too good, so if you can, follow goboatingnow's reference.
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Old 17-07-2013, 11:34   #43
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They just want the regular stuff IF you have an inboard. It doesn't say you have to have one.
No, I think that if your read the final entry (e) that it says for categories one and zero that an inboard engine shall be fitted. The part that you refer to is for lesser categories.

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1) Total indifference.

2) Any country is free to have the kind of regulations its citizens find fit.

3) As long as the rules are known in advance, I cannot see how this could negatively influence the number of visiting boats and the amount of money they inject into the economy of that small island nation.

4) If their regulations are too steep for my boat, I simply go elsewhere and that's that.

5) I understand all seagoing nations will implement equivalent control measure on visiting Kiwi boats.

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Frankly, weather-wise, NZ is so far from the tropics and surrounded by such confused and turbulent seas that I wonder why any sailor in less than a well prepared and equipped sailboat could undertake to visit. Both inbound and outbound journeys expose boats to very high potential of severe adverse weather and there has been already so many boats and lives lost in the area that I will completely understand when NZ introduces very strict safety requirements on visiting boats.

NZ is NOT a So Pac destination. I think many So Pac sailors seem to skip over this unpopular fact.

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