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Old 02-11-2010, 11:40   #16
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Is the USCG boards your boat and finds evidence of drug use through a "residue test" they can seize your boat. It used to be that you needed something major to have a boat seized (like a roach)
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Old 02-11-2010, 11:45   #17
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If something is found what a Captain can do is put the individual under house arrest and report them to the authorities as soon as they enter port. That should, at least, help save the boat and license.
If something is found by the Captain then toss it overboard. No evidence - no conviction.
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Old 02-11-2010, 11:46   #18
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I had a problem with 'ROACHES' once....
But I got these little hotels for them.... once they check in they neva check out...
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Old 02-11-2010, 12:00   #19
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If something is found by the Captain then toss it overboard. No evidence, no crime.
Aye, that's pretty much what the couple crossing the Bay of Biscay did with their find. The couple that was wanting to "learn how to sail" kept their appointment and of course it wasn't long before the lady in question "Needed to use the heads". She came running up in a state of panic grabbed her man and took off down the docks. They knew they had been rumbled.
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If something is found by the Captain then toss it overboard. No evidence, no crime.
Ditto, In this case doing the "right thing", can be more trouble than it is worth. The stuff goes overboard instantly, the passenger responsible goes ashore at the next landfall. Thats my policy, and I make it clear on boarding. On the firearm seizure, In the US federal laws only apply in federal waters, once a ship enters the bay or docks they are subject to local laws. NY is undergoing legal changes to enforcement of firearm laws. I would avoid taking anything that even looks like a weapon into those waters until they straighten it out. (see post on piracy thread).
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But as they say prevention is better than a cure is there not some way of getting a bit of background info on your potential charter party?
Requesting scans of their passports upon booking and then submitting those scans to local authorities or something, running them by Interpol before they even set foot on your boat?
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if some one who was to board your vessel had a criminal record
Might be handy to get in to australia.


Or do you not need one to sail there any more?
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I had a problem with 'ROACHES' once....
But I got these little hotels for them.... once they check in they neva check out...
That must have been the Hotel California
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If something is found by the Captain then toss it overboard. No evidence - no conviction.
Does the crew member with the criminal record that would make the whole boat suspect count. A crew member with a 30 year old conviction had 3 or 4 Canadian customs agents and a drug dog pouring over my boat for a couple of hours, and they are alot more civil than US Customs agents
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But as they say prevention is better than a cure is there not some way of getting a bit of background info on your potential charter party?
Requesting scans of their passports upon booking and then submitting those scans to local authorities or something, running them by Interpol before they even set foot on your boat?
If they complain just say it is to make going through customs smoother (because it will). If a crew member does not respect the fact that their "baggage" from the past and/or their "luggage" being carried on the boat could endanger your boat than maybe they don't belong there in the first place. "If you have something you don't want the customs to know about fine...just not on my boat"
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Requesting scans of their passports upon booking and then submitting those scans to local authorities or something, running them by Interpol before they even set foot on your boat?
You as a private citizen, generally dont have acces to police records, so unless they choose to tell ,no this isnt a process that can be used and I thank the authorities for that so as to retain whatever civil liberties I have.

In modern "western" democracies, the capitian isnt automatically responsible, yes the vessel could be siezed, but generally if the capitan is innocent and unaware of the contraband and wasnt seen as particulary negligient then he will not be charged. ( this is only where there is personal ammounts etc).

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Got to remember that not all criminals get caught. so won't have convictions. The only guaranteed way is not to let anyone onboard. even the law abiding can get sucked / conned / coerced into doing things that they would not normally do - especially when abroad.

Picking up complete strangers and taking them home always has some risk

A verified work record and evidence that they do have things to lose (job prospects / assets) would be a comfort. or being proffessional crew with the references to match.......but that's just shrunk the potential pool radically. and will have a cost in time, effort and 's.
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Had one owner ask for his handgun back after delivering his boat back from Mexico for him. Even though I asked him several times before accepting the delivery if he had any firearms aboard (to which he replied 'of course not') he risked his boat, my licence, and probable jail time for me, the skipper. Why he would risk a million $ yacht for a crummy side arm is beyond me! He had hid it aboard before leaving the boat in Mexico. Needless to say, he has a hard time getting any delivery skipper to accept a job from him... I wrote up the incident in letter to The Log in San Diego. Trust no one!
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You as a private citizen, generally dont have acces to police records, so unless they choose to tell ,no this isnt a process that can be used and I thank the authorities for that so as to retain whatever civil liberties I have.

In modern "western" democracies, the capitian isnt automatically responsible, yes the vessel could be siezed, but generally if the capitan is innocent and unaware of the contraband and wasnt seen as particulary negligient then he will not be charged. ( this is only where there is personal ammounts etc).

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As a private citizen you may not have access to police records, but if you contact customs and ask about one of your crew members before you get there they will usually be glad to oblige (better than dealing with the problem after it gets there).
Tough in the US the captain may not necessarily be held responsible, the owner of the vessel will.
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The OP cited an Owner who picked up a random bunch of backpackers in Thailand. Prior to getting busted and having his boat seized.

I'd hazard a guess that the odds that one of any random bunch of backpackers in Thailand is carrying a few grams of something illicit are probably near 100%.
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