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28-06-2013, 01:50
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#226
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Kerikeri, New Zealand
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims
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Originally Posted by chris_gee
Neither customs nor immigration can withhold clearance for a foreign flagged vessel.
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Chris - where are you getting this from? (Is a serious question, not a challenge... the MNZ site's not exactly helpful).
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28-06-2013, 02:08
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#227
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cruiser
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Vanuatu
Boat: Whiting 29' extended "Nightcap"
Posts: 1,569
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims
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Originally Posted by chris_gee
Neither customs nor immigration can withhold clearance for a foreign flagged vessel.
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Customs most certainly can withhold clearance, in fact they are normally the department that does prevent recreational vessels leaving.
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28-06-2013, 02:22
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#228
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Australia
Boat: Island Packet 40
Posts: 6,432
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims
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Originally Posted by NoTies
I wonder how many others died trying. We'll never know. 10%, 20%, 75%??
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The guy is fairly obviously cruising on a shoestring and maybe he is doing it for the same reason they did and is seeking something he feels justifies the risk he is taking. One of the problems both Australians and Kiwis have is that whilst we are "free" ie. we are not locked up in a jail somewhere we have fewer and fewer liberties. It's his life if he wants to go out there and risk it he should be at "liberty" to do so.
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28-06-2013, 02:29
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#229
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Kerikeri, New Zealand
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims
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Originally Posted by banaari
Chris - where are you getting this from? (Is a serious question, not a challenge... the MNZ site's not exactly helpful).
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Never mind, I found it, ain't Google wonderful. "Sellers vs. Maritime Safety Inspector" makes interesting reading.
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28-06-2013, 02:47
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#230
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cruiser
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Vanuatu
Boat: Whiting 29' extended "Nightcap"
Posts: 1,569
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims
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Originally Posted by RaymondR
The guy is fairly obviously cruising on a shoestring and maybe he is doing it for the same reason they did and is seeking something he feels justifies the risk he is taking. One of the problems both Australians and Kiwis have is that whilst we are "free" ie. we are not locked up in a jail somewhere we have fewer and fewer liberties. It's his life if he wants to go out there and risk it he should be at "liberty" to do so.
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He has a moral obligation to not only avoid endangering the lives of those who seek to rescue him but he also has a moral obligation to the wider cruising community by not conducting himself in such a way that it will adversely affect the freedom of those who follow in his wake. People who give the impression of being deadbeats and losers will always provoke a kneejerk reaction from authorities and this can only be bad for everyone else.
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28-06-2013, 02:48
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#231
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cruiser
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Vanuatu
Boat: Whiting 29' extended "Nightcap"
Posts: 1,569
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims
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Originally Posted by banaari
Never mind, I found it, ain't Google wonderful. "Sellers vs. Maritime Safety Inspector" makes interesting reading.
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Pray tell me where it states that Customs cannot detain a vessel?
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28-06-2013, 03:13
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#232
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: palmwoods qld australia
Boat: wharram tiki 26
Posts: 739
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims
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Originally Posted by NoTies
People who give the impression of being deadbeats and losers will always provoke a kneejerk reaction from authorities and this can only be bad for everyone else.
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Dead beat and loser may be a bit harsh in this instance, the bloke did sail across the Pacific....
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28-06-2013, 03:29
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#233
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cruiser
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Vanuatu
Boat: Whiting 29' extended "Nightcap"
Posts: 1,569
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims
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Originally Posted by salticrak
Dead beat and loser may be a bit harsh in this instance, the bloke did sail across the Pacific....
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Re-read my post. I said "give the impression of being a deadbeat and loser".
Besides, sailing the Pacific is hardly a qualification for being an expert sailor, presuming it was the milk run.
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28-06-2013, 03:36
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#234
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Nelson NZ; boat in Coffs Harbour
Boat: 45ft Ketch
Posts: 1,559
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims
There's no evidence the vessel's unsafe or in poor condition. Is not reliant on a combustion engine and fuel requirements. Is not reliant on hydraulics or electronics. Goes too slow to get holed by a container. He's proved he can go long distances at sea and pick his weather windows around NZ. As long as he's not forced to give any ETAs he won't be putting rescuers at risk or have timetables to put himself at risk. Seems likely to me that he's safer than most.
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28-06-2013, 04:10
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#235
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Armchair Bucketeer
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,012
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims
I have no problem with folks being "different" (no sh#t!), but if you do march to the beat of own drum then part of the deal is that you get to suck up any downsides - and a lot of those involve other people not being able to easily process "different".
My guess is that the NZ official wears a few hats, and in the absence of knowing whether he should and legally can do something (or which hat he should be wearing) has chosen to take the obvious route - of doing nothing until he knows which leg he should be standing on! In this case I suspect the boat has not technically been detained, but that OP won't be getting any clearance for himself either (nothing happening all round!).
In principal I am happy for OP to do WTF he wants, including going glug through own choices!, but if I was the NZ official then I would be concerned about how OP going glug would affect.........me!, and would likely be taking a similar (CYA based!) approach.
As said already, will be interesting to hear about OP's experiences of officialdom when (if?!) he arrives in Oz, especially on the horticultural front!
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28-06-2013, 04:14
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#236
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Northern NSW.Australia
Boat: Sunmaid 20, John Welsford Navigator
Posts: 9,549
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims
You can take the horticulture, but you cannot make her learn.
Coops.
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28-06-2013, 05:06
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#237
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Homer, AK is my home port
Boat: Skookum 53'
Posts: 4,042
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims
I have cleared into and out of many countries, NZ excluded, coming soon, and not having been there at the time, it is difficult to determine the nature of the exchanges. Most times these differences can be resolved with a calm demeanor and respectful address to the official involved. Not always, but most times. We don't know what perspective this official is coming from so it is hard to tell what exactly is the problem.
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28-06-2013, 05:25
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#238
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cruiser
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: medusa NY
Boat: Tayana Surprise 45 schooner "Union Pacific"
Posts: 2,097
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims
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Originally Posted by boat_alexandra
bristol 27
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do you really cruise the world in a boat that has less room then my 25' powerboat?
it must be like bull riding in light chop.....
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28-06-2013, 06:22
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#239
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Arctic Ocean
Boat: Under construction 35' ketch (and +3 smaller)
Posts: 2,738
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims
Not big enough? Look this OSB
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28-06-2013, 06:26
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#240
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 20,420
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Re: New Zealand Immigration Officer Making Wild Claims
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Originally Posted by hellosailor
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(...) This could just mean the universe wants to detain him in NZ until he meets the sheep, ergh, girl, of his dreams.
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Hahaha!
If you say this to that NZ officer he will smile ... point his finger to Australia!
NZ not the worst place on planet Earth to get detained. Good fish'n chups and inexpensive sushi. OP will make it all right.
b.
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