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Old 17-01-2007, 01:40   #1
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New Zealand: Cat One

great or crap
cost $15000plus NZ
3 gps ssb 2vhf sextant tables charts all the meds flares liferaft dan bouys life rings grabbag etc etc etc is it to much or not enougth




1%dream it/1%look at boats/1%buy a boat/1%go one in 100,000 ?
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Old 17-01-2007, 02:22   #2
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Do they really want 3 GPS'? Nuts

I've taken a lot of flak over the years for my opposition to NZ's Cat 1 requirement for cruisers
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Old 17-01-2007, 03:16   #3
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3 gps's are not nuts as quoted. We had 1 new one die on our last offshore trip and one hit by a power spike which left us with one useable GPS and of course a sextant.

I agree that a lot of the Cat 1 stuff is expensive but I bet that if you were in the crap you'd appreciate having it. We didn't use our Cat 1 medical kit until we were back parked in the marina and an old gentlemen fell and cut his head open on the dock!
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I was going to say that 3 GPS sets are excessive, but I realised I already have 3 onboard.........and will probably be getting a 4th (Chartplotter).

One handheld I have had for years, an elderly fixed one which came with the boat and another hand held that was also onboard when I bought the boat............

4 is a tad excessive, my minimum would be one chartplotter and one handheld that runs on batteries........but I will settle for 2 extra handhelds! And of course I can navigate locally without (it used to be normal!).....cross ocean?? To be honest I can't really see me ever relying on a Sextant........and to be brutally honest I will probably never learn to use one. mmmmm, I wonder what comments that will attract??!!
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Old 17-01-2007, 05:22   #5
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I'm also a 3 gps kin of guy, they are all handheld andd one only track's 6 or maybe 8 satellites, but better than nothing. Like DOJ, I cant see me using a sextant as once i've ran out of finger's and toes I need a calc.

Did have 2 VHF[1 handheld] in a sealed large screwtop lid red drum, with flares, light stick's,spare cap's, sunny lotion, handline and hook's and long life bait, couple of knives etc etc.

Also had a 25 litre water container close at hand full of water.

not a fan of deathraft's, but the dinghy was like a big carly float with a motor.

At 8 ft long it could carry 8 drunken men at a pinch, and built in strong point's to attach harnesses to,so felt pretty secure with it.

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Old 17-01-2007, 11:40   #6
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GPS required for Cat1??? I didn't know that. I was under the impression GPS was not recognised for Cat1. You have to be able to demonstrate the use of a sextant. Has someone changed the rules Again???
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Old 17-01-2007, 12:41   #7
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What I object to is being forced to carry equipment I don't want or don't need. I have sailed the equivalent of twice round the globe with sextant , leadline and compass. While today I may choose to carry a GPS (maybe even a handheld as well ) it should be my decision. Same with some of the other stuff on the list I would not choose.
Also specifying item A precludes any development of item B which may turn out superior - look at the argument on marine toilets elsewhere.
Further, there are people who think that if they get everything on the list then they are "safe"----WRONG!!!!
And again there is an emphasis in the rules on search and rescue, very little aimed at improving your own skill set and experience level to make every chance of not needing to call for help, again being discussed elsewhere on these forums.
People who would not make Cat 1 in NZ (obviously foolhardy and unsafe)

Eric and Susan Hiscock
Lin and Larry Pardey
Miles and Beryl Smeeton
Bill Tillman


That's just off the top of my head, must be others.
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Old 17-01-2007, 18:02   #8
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I had to prove use of sextent but as I was manly using gps had to carry spares one of which a brand new hand held failed on the trip
I carry 2 25l h2o on deck as well as 2 500l tanks of h2o
I dont really agree whith grab bag on deck as under storm conditions I believe it would be one of the first things to go over board
I had to take extra crew as my experence was deemed insuficient
the criterier (sic) was 3 days off shore and i only have 30 years of coastal boating and have been researching towards this goal most my life made us joke about the 3 day man who would give us magic skill
sea man ship is so hard to quantify I have meet people whith many off shore miles who i would not trust with paper boat in bath tub
Maybe all the stuff leads the use of outside help not self relience
how many boats have people been rescued from only to turn up later
The drugs required are in my opinion over the top
Allan should not be any question that a tahitian is off shore capable but may need ferro cert or sim. mine was M O T
drag device I would be very scared of using mine a lazarus drouge canot use sea anchor because of bowspit
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Anyone got a link to the requirements? (Just Nosey!).
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Old 18-01-2007, 12:45   #11
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They won't post it on ther net, insist you pay for the book, another reason to dislke the whole mess.
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Yeah it's the one time I would have to say I am embarresd to be a Kiwi. The Beauratic red tape is just rediculus and you HAVE to buy the book to get the rules. And then I would have to say they are not exactly "clear". The only clarity you get is at time of inpsection and then the "interpretation" of the rules is deemed by the inspector doing the certification. It is up to him to make the final judgment.
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Alchimist, how the hell do you get a Ferro Cert now is my question. Let alone Roll stability figures and such.
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Am I right to believe after looking at this , that the ruling only applies to NZ vessel's , and not to visiting vessel's on departure ?

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At present, they tried to impose it on visiting foreign flagged vessels a few years back, it got tested in the courts and was tossed out. The rumour mill tells me they are thinking of trying again in July this year. Beware if you are a foreign vessel thinking to visit this season beware, you may not be able to leave without spending lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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