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Old 11-01-2007, 03:53   #1
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New UK Boatmasters License

New Boatmasters License came into force January 1, 2007 ~ By IBI Magazine
"... The new BML is modular and requires candidates to undergo a study and testing programme that covers boat-handling, seamanship skills and safety management. A 'generic' license takes a minimum of two years to obtain, although another six months local knowledge training must also be completed where local circumstances require it.

Boatmen who want to qualify for more specialised operations, including a sea endorsement, will need to undertake further training up to five and a half years for the full range of skills ..."


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Just to clarify - it's for Commercial folk.
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How does this relate to the standard Yachtmaster license?
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Just to clarify - it's for Commercial folk.
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How does this relate to the standard Yachtmaster license?
I must confess I had never heard of this organisation. But as I am NOT a commercial mariner - then I guess no reason why I should?? As far as I know, off the top of my head, no connection at all.

Yachtmaster is NOT a licence. It's a voluntary / optional "qualification".

I did post a reply on another thread explaining about the XXXX (who SELL boat courses and qualifications) and how these things work in the UK, but it seems to have got pulled..........so I won't bother expanding further.

No big deal for ME of course , and I did try to be restrained. Honest

Anyway, I do not want this to become a drift into "the rules of posting", I have already picked up that this board does not like anyone giving criticism about those with large lawyers . Fair enuf really
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I must confess I don't know anything about the Yachtmaster other than having worked with some other captains that had them. Supposedly, they were equivalent to our Master's licenses here, but were more noble and recognized throughout the world. They are from the UK, which is why I was wondering about this. This is the group that is in charge of them. Know about these guys, David?

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Old 11-01-2007, 13:08   #7
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Yachtmaster. and it's siblings Coastal Skipper, Day Skipper and Competent Crew are voluntary qualifications for amateur yachtsman organised under the auspices of the Royal Yachting Association.

These certficates of competence can be commercially endorsed with a little extra effort and cost under the joint scheme run by the RYA and the Maritime and Coastguard Agency which qualifies the holder for commercial crewing and skippering of yachts (motor and/or sail) in anything from coastal to ocean waters depending on the certificate held

The Boatmasters Licence has been in existance since 1993 and is administered by the Maritime and Coastguard Agency. Until now it applied only to commercial passenger craft carrying more than 12 passengers on inland and sheltered waters (canals, rivers and estuaries) and up to 3 miles offshore but no more than 15 miles from port

It has now been broadened to cover pretty well all commercial vessel operations on, effectively, CE Category D waters including workboats as well as passenger craft. It is a purely commercial requirement, as yet UK inland boaters do not require any certificate of competence (although with the growing influence of the EU on our internal affairs it's only a matter of time).

The change to the Boatmasters Licence brings the UK into closer alignment with the rest of Europe which is supposedly to our advantage (ha ha)

There is no connection or correlation between the Yachtmaster scheme and the Boatmaster licence other than that holders of some RYA qualifications can count that towards some elements of qualifying for a Boatmaster Licence
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Hmm, I see some extra explanation is required to make things clearer!

The RYA (Royal Yachting Association) is a charitable body funded by membership and commercial activities which acts as an umbrella body for UK yacht clubs, campaigns for and on behalf of yachtsman, administers training schemes etc. etc. It also fulfils some functions as a statutory body implementing aspects of maritime law on behalf of ...

The MCA (Maritime and Coastguard Agency) is the UK regulatory body for all matters maritime (both inland and at sea) and also operates the Coastguard Service. It is govenment funded.
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Thank you for that excellent background on the Yachtmaster. Now I finally understand it.

Yes... bringing the UK into closer alignment with the rest of the EU... yikes! A scary prospect. How are you all fairing with the latest onslaught? Just read a fine article about how many pounds are headed back to Eastern Europe via bank wires, etc... from your new population. Much the same as has been happening in the States for years, only ours heads back to Mexico and other places South.


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Thank you for that excellent background on the Yachtmaster. Now I finally understand it.
No problem - I only knew 'cos I;d already spent several hours working it out trying to decide what (if any) courses I want to do

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Yes... bringing the UK into closer alignment with the rest of the EU... yikes! A scary prospect. How are you all fairing with the latest onslaught? Just read a fine article about how many pounds are headed back to Eastern Europe via bank wires, etc... from your new population. Much the same as has been happening in the States for years, only ours heads back to Mexico and other places South.
It's worse than that. Both me and my eldest lad are struggling to find work at the moment 'cos all the work around here is transport and distribution and the employers would far rather employ Eastern European imigrants from the new members of the EU who'll work much longer hours for a lot less money and don't complain about lack of holidays or worry about a safe working environment.

I could rant on at length about the adverse impact the EU is having on life in the UK but it would be totally off-topic. Topically speaking, it is however one of the major reasons why me and the good lady want to get the hell out of Dodge and set sail for distant shores whilst we still can.

Might be bringing the boat purchase plans forward to later this year at this rate. Got the Estate Agent coming around next week to value the house as it stands 'cos we thought we'd have to do a fair bit of work to the place before selling up but a house a few doors down in even worse condition has just sold for an obscene amount of money (if we got that much it would be nearly three times what we paid for the place five years ago!).

If we don;t get over-ambitious on age and size of boat it may give us enough to buy and fit out the boat with enough in investments to cover the absolute essentials indefinitely. We'd just need to top the pot up with a bit of work periodically to pay for luxuries and there's all sorts of ways we could do that!

Hmm, now I'm off-topic for the thread! I'll get me coat ... !
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I won't ask any more questions, Bru, but it's interesting to hear what's going on. I suspect we all have the same problems in that area with globalization.
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Hi Sean,

Definately off topic but worth (I think) another view from the UK.

Not all think the same way as the other UK respondant re recent UK immigration.

Many over this side still consider that the UK joining the EU was wrong - but equally many others don't. Not sure the timing is related, but factually since the UK joined, it's economy has boomed, compared with most other member states.

It is true that membership has opened up labour markets in the UK to lower paid workers from recent EU joiners, but its easy to forget it equally opened up higher paid roles outside the UK which many skilled Brits take advantage of........

Its also opened up wider markets for UK services across a wider europe - which lots of UK companies have taken advantage of the benefit of the UK economy as a whole.

At the end of the day it really comes back to swings and roundabouts - and dependent on an individuals situation / position will depend on whether they see a win or a loss.

IMHO the UK has always been a bit of a layer type cake. The orginal inhabitants were killed off by the Celts from central Europe, they were pushed north and west by the Angels from Germany, they in turn were dominated by the Romans from Italy, the coutry was then invaded by the Saxon Vikings from Norway and Denmark, they were invaded by the Normans from France, and in recent centuries we've seen lots of African / Indian / Asian immigration to make it a pretty well layer multi-racial cake today.

And if any one of those historic waves of immigration had not happened, just maybe I would not be here today!

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they were invaded by the Normans from France
Yup Jersey, sticking it up the Anglo's since 1066

(Slight Correction, the Normans were from...........Normandy - not "France")
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Way OT re. EU (sorry!)

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Definately off topic but worth (I think) another view from the UK. Not all think the same way as the other UK respondant re recent UK immigration.
Always worth another view

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Many over this side still consider that the UK joining the EU was wrong - but equally many others don't. Not sure the timing is related, but factually since the UK joined, it's economy has boomed, compared with most other member states. .
To be pedantric, the UK never joined the EU. We joined the Common Market, a beast of an entirely different colour. The thing transmogrified into something else entirely while we weren't paying attention!

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It is true that membership has opened up labour markets in the UK to lower paid workers from recent EU joiners, but its easy to forget it equally opened up higher paid roles outside the UK which many skilled Brits take advantage of.........
Many? Some yes but in the context of tens of thousands of economic migrants the balance is defintiely one sided

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Its also opened up wider markets for UK services across a wider europe - which lots of UK companies have taken advantage of the benefit of the UK economy as a whole.
Now that is, to some extent, true. Although unfortunately the truth is in a lot of cases that due to our lower wages, longer working hours and weaker employment laws the UK has been a very attractive place for industry from outside the EU to manufacture goods for sale within the EU.

Whilst this has undoubtedly been good for the financial markets and those involved in high end service industries such as IT etc. it has meant that throughout the decades since we signed up to the Common Market, unskilled and semi-skilled workers, who make up the majority of the workforce, have lagged signficiantly behind their European neighbours as far as overall standard of living is concerned.

The ex-Eastern Bloc economic migration into Western Europe (a problem not confined soley to the UK but affecting Germany, the Scandanavian countries and the low countries as well as France to a lesser extent) is driving wages down and hours up. In the unskilled end of the labour market, people are now on average getting less paid holiday than at any time since the 1960's, working longer hours than at any time since the 1950's and, realtively speaking, earning less than at any time since the 1970's

The UK (and probably the other industrial/financial economies of Western Europe for that matter) has a growing gap between the archetypal have's and have not's. Had health problems not led to my quitting the IT industry some years ago to work in less demanding relatively unskilled jobs I would doubtless be one of the have's enjoying (at least for a while) the benefits of EU membership. And no doubt singing from a different hymn sheet!

It's hard to see the benefits when you can't get any work however trivial in an area of supposedly 100% employment. The more so when every warehouse, factory, most lorry cabs and a growing number of shops and offices are staffed by Eastern Europeans who'll work all the hours they can for whatever they can get and live 3 to a room in rented accomodation for a couple of years before going home.

Given their circumstances I don't blame them one bit, in their shoes I'd walk the same road but it's tough on people like us and especially for our kids who really struggle to find any sort of work (and who are cunningly kept off the unemployment statistics by various government machinations), who'll never be able to afford to buy their own home and who struggle even to find the rent on anywhere half way decent to live.

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At the end of the day it really comes back to swings and roundabouts - and dependent on an individuals situation / position will depend on whether they see a win or a loss.
I'm not an economist so whether the overall balance is positive or negative I can't possibly know for sure. However I do think we get all of the drawbacks of EU membership with few of the benefits ...

We're a net contributor to EU funds
Immigration is significantly higher than emigration
We apply EU legislation more rigourously than anyone else
We didn't sign up to Schengen to can't travel as freely as others in the EU
Whilst we gained some non-EU industry to replace our declining home industry, the profits go back to Japan, the USA or wherever and you can bet that the next big overseas financed manufacturing plant will be built in the former Eastern Bloc countries

And so on and so on!

Now this is really off-topic so I'll shut up before the mods tell me off! Happy to continue the debate by PM or on the off-topic forum though
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Woaaaah Bru,

Did not mean to enter into a debate so lets agree to keep the board to sailing issues - if that OK with you.

Happy for a moderator to knock of my response to your views....I can't edit them off myself.

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