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Old 07-08-2015, 06:34   #46
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Re: Miami Beach eliminates shore access by dinghy

What a bummer they don't at least just publish a 2-4 hour time limit to allow folks to shop or dine. Would be obvious to ID/remove the problem boats that exceed that.


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Re: Miami Beach eliminates shore access by dinghy

Maybe some would understand the message easier if they just posted a sign that says "Boaters Go Away"
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Maybe some would understand the message easier if they just posted a sign that says "Boaters Go Away"
NO NO NO stay there and fight. get a mooring field get more live aboard dockage. what ever you have to do stay there.

It's a proven fact that every where the cattle congregate the ugly city grows...ie...condo's, gated marinas, high rise buildings restricted beaches,polluted waterways, crime, strip malls, noise pollution, air pollution,

No No stay there if that Miami cancer can be contained to that Lat's and Lon's it already exists at. maybe just Maybe the rest of the world can be saved.
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Do what you want, but I got into boating for enjoyment and not to fight battles.
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I called the city office and got a copy of the amended municipal code 66-151 which was apparently codified on April 15 (wonder why it's still not on the city website). Too much info to post here, but the basics is that they added "dock" to the launch and remove language, changed "single family" to "residential," and added language that allows them to tow them away. I also talked to SeaTow. Full article with link: Miami Beach cracks down on dinghy access located in Atlantic ICW - FL & St. Johns R. | Waterway Guide News Update.
I'm not a lawyer, but I'm questioning the legality of the city regulating state and federal waters. They can probably ticket you for climbing over the seawall, since that is city, and maybe even prohibit tying to city property. Are there State roads and bridges to tie to? How deep is the water in Collins Canal? Is it possible to anchor right next to the wall?
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I'm not a lawyer, but I'm questioning the legality of the city regulating state and federal waters. They can probably ticket you for climbing over the seawall, since that is city, and maybe even prohibit tying to city property. Are there State roads and bridges to tie to? How deep is the water in Collins Canal? Is it possible to anchor right next to the wall?
You're not obviously. Sorry, but state and federal waters haven't got nothing to do with it. It could even be a home owner assoc. when it gets to land above the high water mark.
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Re: Miami Beach eliminates shore access by dinghy

Very simple... just don't go!
Business folks in these coastal communities should realize that they are competing for tourist and cruisers $. If they are not welcome in Miami Beach, there are many other friendly and enjoyable spots to drop your hook and explore. Phil
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Thanks for the update...

From your link:

People "abandoning" jet skis and RIBs with 15 HP outboards along the Collins Canal, huh ?

Yeah, I'll bet that happens "often", alright...

UFB...
Yup, it sounds pretextual. Even if the claimed rationale has some credence, how is the presence of parked dinghies & jet skis a nuisance? Noise pollution? Doubtful. If they're expending police resources to enforce towing then surely they could also be enforcing excessive speeds in the canal, late-night ingress/egress, or whatever other complaints the residential neighbors purportedly have. Hard not to call BS on this one, i.e. another attempt to discourage anchoring. Or put another way, a lot of people staying busy minding other people's business.
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Re: Miami Beach eliminates shore access by dinghy

Here are the executive officers of SeaTwo.

Not sure about these email addresses, but email address I found in some of their press releases shows that their standard email address format is first initial, last name @seatow.com

So, I added my guess for their email addresses might be. I sent an email to each of them and only received one bounced-back message (Cindy McCaffrey), so perhaps these are their correct email addresses.


Captain Joseph Frohnhoefer - Chairman / CEO / Founder
(email address unsure, recently passed away)
https://www.seatow.com/news-and-pres...under-and-Hero


Georgia Frohnhoefer - Executive Vice President
GFrohnhoefer (-at-) seatow (-dot-)com

Captain Joseph Frohnhoefer III - Chief Operating Officer
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Kristen Frohnhoefer - Chief Administrative Officer
KFrohnhoefer (-at-) seatow(-dot-)com

Jim Foley - Chief Financial Officer
JFoley (-at-) seatow(-dot-)com

Cindy McCaffery - Vice President of Program Development
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I can't see placing any blame on Sea Tow, it is a business and might even have liability if not responding to a municipalities request. Lets place any blame were it belongs.
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Re: Miami Beach eliminates shore access by dinghy

I kind of like the idea of letting Sea Tow know that the profits they make doing the City of Miami Beach's dirty work will cost them lost towing subscriptions from boaters.
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Re: Miami Beach eliminates shore access by dinghy

A news story like that is just what the Miami Herald and the network Nooze stations thrive on. Especially in August (aka "silly season") where there's usually no real nooze and they have the time to make anything into a big issue.


If the law wasn't publicized and published with proper notice, if there was no public input or hearings, all good reasons for a media attack that could get it repealed, along with any monies collected.
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I kind of like the idea of letting Sea Tow know that the profits they make doing the City of Miami Beach's dirty work will cost them lost towing subscriptions from boaters.
What are boater's alternatives. Boat US and Sea Tow? And I believe Sea Tow has a larger network. God forbid someone should need a tow without the insurance since they charge time from their dock back to their dock so the larger network is cheaper.
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I can't see placing any blame on Sea Tow, it is a business and might even have liability if not responding to a municipalities request. Lets place any blame were it belongs.
Look at the signs. They look as if Seatow made them. I have yet to see a municipal sign like this. It appears that Seatow has a big interest in this. Why is Seatow such a prominent player in this? Write Seatow, I did.

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Re: Miami Beach eliminates shore access by dinghy

Cities regulate parking on streets all the time.

Does anyone know what law might actually prohibit Miami Beach from regulating parking in canals?

And for those who think it is "unconstitutional," there's not a word in the Constitution about this.

If there is such a law, I suppose it is somewhere in the U.S. Code, which is quite lengthy. I'm just hoping somebody can actually cite it.
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