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Old 01-09-2009, 13:31   #46
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Yes, you must file a tax return even if you owe nothing. As far as citizenship goes, by leaving the US you don't become a citizen of the world. Don't forget that you need to register your boat somewhere and you need a passport so other countries will let you in. Keeping US citizenship, as mentioned, is a non-issue. Keeping a US address has been discussed on this board at length.

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In the instructions for filing a tax return, there is a list of criteria for filing. I believe that if the person has no taxable income (as in the OP, they may not need to file. (But there might be other criteria making them responsible for filing a return.)

THis response is also correct, that a person who is required to file, but has no tax liability, is still required to file.

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Old 01-09-2009, 15:03   #47
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"Once you are a citizen you are a citizen."
Isn't that a bit more like the RC Church and excommunication?

I'm a natural-born citizen, and as a result neither my state nor federal citizenship can be invalidated by either of those governments. On theother hand, a naturalized citizen or other party that has been granted citizenship--can have it revoked and stripped from them for a number of reasons, including committing a felony, or a lie on their application.

Citizens aren't always equal.
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Old 02-09-2009, 14:07   #48
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Dan-
"Once you are a citizen you are a citizen."
Isn't that a bit more like the RC Church and excommunication?

I'm a natural-born citizen, and as a result neither my state nor federal citizenship can be invalidated by either of those governments. On theother hand, a naturalized citizen or other party that has been granted citizenship--can have it revoked and stripped from them for a number of reasons, including committing a felony, or a lie on their application.

Citizens aren't always equal.
I may be misremembering the policy, but I believe that US citizenship CAN be lost, by anyone, by renouncing the US citizenship.

I was researching dual-citizenship for myself, and the government of Poland requires her citizens to not have allegiance to other countries. So becoming a citizen of Poland may effectively be revoking my US citizenship. (However, I do not meet all the criteria necessary, anyway.) Irish citizenship, however, allows other allegiance, so I don't think it would invalidate my US citizenship.

I was told by a retired diplomat that the US looks liberally on dual citizenship, and recognizes that people apply for other citizenship for purposes of work. However, in the post-911 era, there has been a loss of freedom and privacy in the US, and who can tell how the government will shift.

On the other hand, I suppose that the IRS would LIKE dual citizens, assuming such citizen had a taxiable income! LOL!

I decided to look up the policy, instead of just posting another opinion. This is what I found. I think it supports my view, however I am no lawyer, and would welcome a more informed opinion:

US State Department Services Dual Nationality

Here is the statement that I am interpreting:

"However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship."

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"but I believe that US citizenship CAN be lost, by anyone, by renouncing the US citizenship."
Ah, LOST is UNintentional. RENOUNCED is quit different. It is the result of a specific voluntary and INTENTIONAL action taken by the citizen.

As your quote indicates--if you voluntarily apply for alien citizenship AND as part of that process you are agreeing to renounce your US citizenship, you may "lose" it. But "lose" is an arguably incorrect and sloppy word for it. End, terminate, renounce, yes. Lose?

You lose marbles and pocket change, you don't "renounce" them. Citizenship may be lost--or renounced. But for most natural citizens, it can't be simply "lost". Although as I recall, some of the soviet and communists states could and did strip citizenship from whoever they wanted, whenever they wanted. My government lacks the ability to do that.
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