Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 06-07-2013, 07:19   #91
cruiser

Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: medusa NY
Boat: Tayana Surprise 45 schooner "Union Pacific"
Posts: 2,098
Re: i keep peeving tugs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by boatpoker View Post
Contrary to most of my cruising bretheren. I have long advocated for mandatory "boating licences". I believe the Power Squadron 11 week course should be an absolute mandatory minimum.

Scoobert undeniably proves my point.
Sorry, i have to lol at that.
I will not take an 11 week course, unless i choose someday to be a delivery captain. Your out of your mind.
__________________

__________________
scoobert is offline  
Old 06-07-2013, 07:20   #92
Registered User
 
ElGatoGordo's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Kemah, TX
Boat: Jim Michalak designed 25' Caprice and Self Design 32' Shantymaran
Posts: 711
We have mandatory car drivers license and that doesn't help. If a guy in major shipping lanes doesn't have the sense to tien on a radio, no amount of rules or laws or licenses will help. Darwin will have his way
__________________

__________________
------------------
Gordo
ElGatoGordo is offline  
Old 06-07-2013, 07:40   #93
Senior Cruiser
 
jackdale's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 5,048
Images: 1
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

The European ICC would be a good model as it requires both theory and practice. Power Squadron is theory only. The Canadian Operator card is way too easy to acquire.
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Ocean Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203,204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline  
Old 06-07-2013, 07:50   #94
Senior Cruiser
 
jackdale's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 5,048
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElGatoGordo View Post
We have mandatory car drivers license and that doesn't help. If a guy in major shipping lanes doesn't have the sense to tien on a radio, no amount of rules or laws or licenses will help. Darwin will have his way
For many professionals the use of a VHF violate rules is not acceptable. Check out mgn 167.pdf on this site. http://www.portsmouth-port.co.uk/pmsc/pm29000.htm
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Ocean Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203,204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline  
Old 06-07-2013, 08:19   #95
Moderator
 
carstenb's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2012
Location: Copenhagen
Boat: Jeanneau Sun Fast 40.3
Posts: 4,942
Images: 1
Re: i keep peeving tugs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rebel heart View Post
Doubtful they threw their engines into reverse (3 short blasts). I'm assuming five, which is the danger signal.
I'm sorry but this is just not correct

Five blasts is NOT a danger signal it means I do not understand your intentions

Lets at least get these things right
__________________
I spent most of my money on Booze, Broads and Boats. The rest I wasted - Elmore Leonard
carstenb is offline  
Old 06-07-2013, 08:22   #96
Moderator
 
carstenb's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2012
Location: Copenhagen
Boat: Jeanneau Sun Fast 40.3
Posts: 4,942
Images: 1
Re: i keep peeving tugs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by scoobert View Post
Sorry, i have to lol at that.
I will not take an 11 week course, unless i choose someday to be a delivery captain. Your out of your mind.
You should take a course. You pbviously know nothing about sailing and are a danger to everyone else on the water
__________________
I spent most of my money on Booze, Broads and Boats. The rest I wasted - Elmore Leonard
carstenb is offline  
Old 06-07-2013, 08:33   #97
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 40
Re: i keep peeving tugs.

Learned something today that might be helpful here .... it seems that you can do the power squadron courses online, at your own pace. Good choice for us schedule-constrained types
__________________
deepblueln is offline  
Old 06-07-2013, 08:36   #98
Senior Cruiser
 
Roy M's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Southwestern Yacht Club, San Diego, CA
Boat: Searunner 40 trimaran, WILDERNESS
Posts: 3,042
Images: 4
Re: i keep peeving tugs.

Definitely a troll. Thanks folks, I learned a lot from this exercise. Learning was not the OP's objective, rather, he's lonely and in need of social contact. Hopefully it remains social and not collisional. I'm out of here now. I am appreciative, though, of how nicely others have tried to steer a seemingly inexperienced person toward safer waters. This guy is looking for something other than information. Aloha.
__________________
Roy M is offline  
Old 06-07-2013, 10:17   #99
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Bellingham, WA
Boat: Bruce Roberts 44' Steel Mauritius
Posts: 578
Re: i keep peeving tugs.

Nope. Not fishing. That is a no-brainer. Just on their way to the fishing grounds and concerned about fuel cost and time. They all hate sailboats as well since they cut their nets with deep keels. Best to just give wide berth.
I am an instructor in both sail & power. Agree with boatpoker. Basic license should be required as it is in BC. Also "Get Your Captain's License" comes with a good CD that I still review from time to time especially Rules of The Road. Most difficult test when getting your USCG Master's License. When in doubt: "Slow down and think".
__________________
Mithril Bham is offline  
Old 06-07-2013, 10:25   #100
Senior Cruiser
 
jackdale's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 5,048
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by magellanyachts View Post
Nope. Not fishing. That is a no-brainer. Just on their way to the fishing grounds and concerned about fuel cost and time. They all hate sailboats as well since they cut their nets with deep keels. Best to just give wide berth.
I am an instructor in both sail & power. Agree with boatpoker. Basic license should be required as it is in BC. Also "Get Your Captain's License" comes with a good CD that I still review from time to time especially Rules of The Road. Most difficult test when getting your USCG Master's License. When in doubt: "Slow down and think".
I just about got run down by a fish boat in Georgia Strait one night. He was clearly running on autopilot while overtaking.

I also teach both power and sail.

ColRegs debates will also keep one current.
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Ocean Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203,204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline  
Old 06-07-2013, 10:26   #101
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Bellingham, WA
Boat: Bruce Roberts 44' Steel Mauritius
Posts: 578
Re: i keep peeving tugs.

Lived in Copenhagen for a year in 1971. Love that place. 5 short blasts is the Danger Signal or also "I doubt your intentions". You are both right.
__________________
Mithril Bham is offline  
Old 06-07-2013, 10:55   #102
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Bellingham, WA
Boat: Bruce Roberts 44' Steel Mauritius
Posts: 578
Re: i keep peeving tugs.

Know it well. Grew up in Cornet Bay (Just inside Deception Pass). I was running in B'ham Bay during broad daylight when a Purse Seiner almost ran me over. Had to change course. He was wide awake and looking at me. He knew what he was doing. Have spent years cruising the Gulf Islands, Sunshine Coast and Desolation. Just bought steel Roberts 44. Restoring it now. 350 gallons of fuel. Full King aft. 40,000 lbs. Love and hate her.
__________________
Mithril Bham is offline  
Old 06-07-2013, 10:59   #103
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,172
Images: 15
Re: i keep peeving tugs.

Scoobert,

thanks for posting the pic of your craft, for now I know that when I see you, to give you all the room in the world
__________________
tamicatana is offline  
Old 06-07-2013, 11:03   #104
Registered User
 
Stu Jackson's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Cowichan Bay, BC (Maple Bay Marina)
Posts: 6,389
Re: i keep peeving tugs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cappy208 View Post
To give an addition to this valuable memory aid, the differences between meeting (and the above signals) and overtaking are often (OK, let's be honest) almost always not understood.

The way to keep it straight is: The vessel initiating the signals sounds One or Two short blasts. These indicate that the vessel is going to turn to Starboard (one blast) or to port (two blasts). This is the SAME whether the vessel is meeting, or overtaking.

The confusion comes when you are being overtaken. The guy is coming up behind you, and sounds one Blast. He is going to turn to starboard. That makes him overtake you on your Starboard side.

This is backwards from a meeting situation. Meeting on one blast, you would be met on the port side. I wish I had the graphics from the CG exam, but I can't find them. If nothing is learned about standing by on a Radio, then learn what whistle signals mean. it could save your life (or mine, so I don't have a heart attack meeting you.)
This si what confuses people about Roy's simpler explanation.

The simpler explanation is: the toots do not necessarily mean what direction the skipper is turning, but rather what side is the one being passed by the initiating boat. One toot means he's passing on his port side to the second boat.

Simple?

Here's Roy's post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy M View Post
The easy way I learned the sound signals for passing was: starboard has two syllables, port has one. Regardless of intent or request, this interpretation is impossible to confuse.
__________________
Stu Jackson
Catalina 34 #224 (1986) C34IA Secretary
Cowichan Bay, BC, (Maple Bay Marina) SR/FK, M25, Rocna 10 (22#) (NZ model)
Stu Jackson is offline  
Old 06-07-2013, 11:05   #105
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: New England
Boat: Prairie 29
Posts: 201
Re: i keep peeving tugs.

Scoobert. Here is the dilemma. (And, even though others are making fun of you, in reality almost every one on here is guilty to a certain degree of this myopia)

I was at 'your favorite place' this morning. Guess who I met there. A Northbound yacht. Here are some interesting photos I took.

Photo one. Approaching Coeymans, I am dead center in the channel. The NB SV is under power, and appears to be 'on his side of the channel'


Picture two. Is he really on 'his side'??? No. He is HEADING to his side, but at this distance, This is unknown. (Iin reality, this guy was super, and kept heading away, towards his side of the channel) Often the small boat does the 'nautical squirrel' and waffles. Then I am on the horn with the 5 blasts, danger signal, wake the eff up, and get the eff out of the way. (Note the 'B' can by Coeymans dike. There is an 8' spot right on channels edge. I can't go outside the channel at all 23' draft!!!)

As we come closer, how does this look? Picture 3.

When abeam, he IS on his side, I am in the middle, and all is well.

From the pictures you may see a slightly different perspective from my POV.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Coeymans 1.JPG
Views:	80
Size:	108.8 KB
ID:	63663   Click image for larger version

Name:	coeymans 2.JPG
Views:	76
Size:	153.0 KB
ID:	63664  

Click image for larger version

Name:	coeymans 3.JPG
Views:	77
Size:	84.7 KB
ID:	63665   Click image for larger version

Name:	coeymans 4.JPG
Views:	72
Size:	99.8 KB
ID:	63666  

__________________

__________________
cappy208 is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 14:25.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.