Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 23-12-2009, 13:47   #1
Registered User
 
svcattales's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Apollo Beach, Fl
Boat: Privilege 37
Posts: 533
Images: 10
Hull Identification Number (HIN)

The hull identification number (HIN) on my USCG documentation doesn't match the HIN molded into the hull. Since the boat was manufactured in France and the HIN is just a number rather than letters/numbers to designate manufacturer, I assume the HIN was changed when imported into US. Is that a normal practice when importing a boat to U.S.? If so, is there a requirement to "carve" the new HIN into the hull somewhere?
__________________

__________________
Greg, SV Cat Tales
svcattales is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-12-2009, 13:59   #2
Registered User
 
svHyLyte's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Tampa Bay area, USA
Boat: Beneteau First 42
Posts: 3,423
Images: 25
cattales---

Our yacht was also imported, from France, in the mid-1980's and the HIN on the corner of the transom is a match for that appearing on our USCG documentation. So I wonder...

FWIW...
__________________

__________________
"It is not so much for its beauty that the Sea makes a claim upon men's hearts, as for that subtle something, that quality of air, that emanation from the waves, that so wonderfully renews a weary spirit."
svHyLyte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-12-2009, 14:51   #3
Senior Cruiser
 
FSMike's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Bahamas/Florida
Boat: Solaris Sunstar 36' catamaran
Posts: 2,654
Images: 5
Cattales - I've never heard of changing HINs as a result of importation. I think somebody screwed up your paperwork. Good luck.
__________________
FSMike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-12-2009, 19:22   #4
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: virginia
Boat: islandpacket
Posts: 1,833
I thought only USA built boats could be US documented. But I could be wrong. My HIN does not match the DOC number. One is the manufacture number and one in the coast guard registration number.
__________________
That derelict boat was another dream for somebody else, don't let it be your nightmare and a waste of your life.
Badsanta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-12-2009, 19:58   #5
Registered User
 
Ziggy's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: U.S., Northeast
Boat: Contessa 32
Posts: 1,421
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Badsanta View Post
I thought only USA built boats could be US documented.
Not true--foreign built boats can be documented in the U.S. HIN on the hull should match the HIN on the Certificate of Documentation.
__________________
Ziggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-12-2009, 20:52   #6
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: virginia
Boat: islandpacket
Posts: 1,833
Quote:
Originally Posted by Badsanta View Post
But I could be wrong.
Like I said.
__________________
That derelict boat was another dream for somebody else, don't let it be your nightmare and a waste of your life.
Badsanta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-12-2009, 21:52   #7
Registered User
 
Tempest245's Avatar

Join Date: May 2008
Location: Piscataway, NJ
Boat: 34 Sabre Tempest
Posts: 937
Hi Greg,

There's two numbers on your certificate of documentation. The Hull number HIN
And the Official documentation # that you get issued.
The Documentaion number you apply to the boat in a permanent location
I guess you know all that..

I would think...that they would both need to match what's on the boat

are they totally different numbers or does your boat just not have the letters in front? I'd call the Vessel Documentation Center...they are very helpful and pretty fast..these days..

Does your insurance and state registration, Bill of sale, match up to the number on the boat?
The CG will probably want some supporting information..to make the change..
__________________
Tempest
Tempest245 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-12-2009, 21:53   #8
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: West Indies
Boat: Burger 74' motor yacht, 65 foot 12 metre, Flicka and sailing dinghy
Posts: 635
its either a mistake that should be corrected or it was intentional and the boat was stolen
__________________
dohenyboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-12-2009, 08:26   #9
Registered User
 
svcattales's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Apollo Beach, Fl
Boat: Privilege 37
Posts: 533
Images: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tempest245 View Post
Hi Greg,

There's two numbers on your certificate of documentation. The Hull number HIN
And the Official documentation # that you get issued.
The Documentaion number you apply to the boat in a permanent location
I guess you know all that..

I would think...that they would both need to match what's on the boat

are they totally different numbers or does your boat just not have the letters in front? I'd call the Vessel Documentation Center...they are very helpful and pretty fast..these days..

Does your insurance and state registration, Bill of sale, match up to the number on the boat?
The CG will probably want some supporting information..to make the change..
The USCG documentation number is permanently attached to inside of starboard hull and that number is correct everywhere. All my documents (documentation, bill of sale, state registration insurance, etc) show a HIN beginning with "DLZ" which is a manufactureres code for "Deleware home built". The HIN embossed in the hull, however, is all numeric characters and none match the DLZ number. The previous owner bought the boat via a Deleware corporation. It appears to me that the USCG has already accepted the change to "DLZ" since they listed new HIN on documentation. I didn't know about the different numbers until the insurance company asked for a HIN rubbing during an insurance survey. I'm not sure how to fix this.
__________________
Greg, SV Cat Tales
svcattales is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-12-2009, 08:37   #10
Senior Cruiser
 
FSMike's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Bahamas/Florida
Boat: Solaris Sunstar 36' catamaran
Posts: 2,654
Images: 5
I think that Delaware is/was a popular place to register boats to avoid some form of tax or another. Your boat was built in France and is obviously not "Delaware home built".
The question is what to do about it. Since nobody has raised a fuss so far I would be tempted to ignore it. If I couldn't sleep due to worry I would find somebody expert in those types of matters (a Delaware maritime attorney perhaps) and have a consult to explore my options.
Lastly, you could walk into the appropriate USCG office and say "Help!".
That one might be best but I would find it scariest.
__________________
Sail Fast Live Slow
FSMike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-12-2009, 09:05   #11
Registered User
 
svHyLyte's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Tampa Bay area, USA
Boat: Beneteau First 42
Posts: 3,423
Images: 25
Unless I have not been reading the thread properly, I believe Cattales' issue is getting a hull number rubbing that matches his documentation for his insurer. The insurer wants assurance that if a claim is made, the boat its paying the claim on is the boat it's insuring, no?

Documentation bearing a Delaware "Homebuilt" registration number sounds very suspicious and makes me wonder whether some prior owner did not report the boat as home built in order to avoid paying import duties or something of that nature. In any case, I would try to track down the former owner(s) to see if I could get claification of the issue as tere may be a simple explaination...or not. If not, liability may run with the boat.

FWIW...
__________________
"It is not so much for its beauty that the Sea makes a claim upon men's hearts, as for that subtle something, that quality of air, that emanation from the waves, that so wonderfully renews a weary spirit."
svHyLyte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-12-2009, 09:21   #12
Marine Service Provider
 
boatpoker's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Toronto, Ontario or Bahamas
Boat: Benford 38 Fantail Cruiser
Posts: 2,593
Quote:
Originally Posted by svHyLyte View Post
Unless I have not been reading the thread properly, I believe Cattales' issue is getting a hull number rubbing that matches his documentation for his insurer. The insurer wants assurance that if a claim is made, the boat its paying the claim on is the boat it's insuring, no?

Documentation bearing a Delaware "Homebuilt" registration number sounds very suspicious and makes me wonder whether some prior owner did not report the boat as home built in order to avoid paying import duties or something of that nature. In any case, I would try to track down the former owner(s) to see if I could get claification of the issue as tere may be a simple explaination...or not. If not, liability may run with the boat.

FWIW...
I think this is a distinct possibility. Every vessel must have an HIN that follows a certain format. Unknown to many is the fact that there is a hidden HIN somewhere on the vessel. I suggest you contact the manufacturer to find out where this hidden HIN is.

My site is commercial so this link might get cropped however, here is a link to more HIN/MIC info.
http://www.pcmarinesurveys.com/whats...ississauga.pdf
__________________
That hysterical laughter you hear as you sail a way in your "new" boat ..... is the seller.
boatpoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-12-2009, 18:11   #13
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: West Indies
Boat: Burger 74' motor yacht, 65 foot 12 metre, Flicka and sailing dinghy
Posts: 635
the use of a "homebuilt" hull number is a common method to hide the fact that the boat is stolen. The thief files for USCG or state registration using a homebulit designation as the manufacturer and then resells the boat to an unsuspecting person. If you have a USCG search done on your actual HIN you may find out it was reported stolen and you do not really own the boat. there was an article on this exact point by a California maritime lawyer David Weil in the last month or so in The Log (thelog.com). Sorry. this looks like this is your problem.
__________________
dohenyboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-12-2009, 18:34   #14
Registered User
 
Tempest245's Avatar

Join Date: May 2008
Location: Piscataway, NJ
Boat: 34 Sabre Tempest
Posts: 937
Wow, that sounds ominous.
__________________
Tempest
Tempest245 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-12-2009, 18:34   #15
Moderator Emeritus
 
Pblais's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hayes, VA
Boat: Gozzard 36
Posts: 8,700
Images: 15
Send a message via Skype™ to Pblais
Quote:
the use of a "homebuilt" hull number is a common method to hide the fact that the boat is stolen.
It's also common when you can't produce original build certificates or you just don't want to do things properly. I would agree it's a warning to be followed up.
__________________

__________________
Paul Blais
s/v Bright Eyes Gozzard 36
37 15.7 N 76 28.9 W
Pblais is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
hull ID number

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Yanmar GL4-X100 Identification Captain Bill Engines and Propulsion Systems 3 27-11-2009 18:42
Mystery Plug Identification and Shower Drains? Jetexas Monohull Sailboats 4 12-08-2009 15:09
Info on HIN Number Dmarina Construction, Maintenance & Refit 7 24-03-2009 22:36
fish (shark) identification please Rastarea Fishing, Recreation & Fun 23 10-02-2009 07:04
Boat Identification Guides GordMay The Library 0 26-07-2007 03:53



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:15.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.