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Old 01-10-2015, 16:25   #31
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Re: Flag: USA or AUS?

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Just as a simple clarification about correct flag etiquette (and legal requirements)...
... the flag under which you sail has nothing to do with the nationality of the owner (or crew). It is all about the nationality of the VESSEL'S REGISTRATION. If, for instance, your boat is registered in Panama as a Spanish citizen, it flies the Panamanian flag off the stern. Or, just to be very correct, an Aussie with a Luxembourg registered yacht will fly a Luxembourg maritime flag (different from the national flag). For Brit and Aussie registered vessels this means their respective red ensigns - not the regular national flags which is the case for most nationally registered yachts. State registered yachts should fly the national maritime flag or the national flag whichever is legally correct as mentioned above.

And the correct size of flag is 1" per foot of the vessel LOA.

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Just as a simple clarification about correct flag etiquette (and legal requirements)...

A listed ship under 12 m I believe has the choice in Australia of flying the Red or the Blue.

Personally I'd fly the red simply because I'm permitted to and listed ships are the only ones allowed to (But I don't have either just yet)

I also intend to fly the Indigenous flag on special occasions but always with the red.
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Just as a simple clarification about correct flag etiquette (and legal requirements)...
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And the correct size of flag is 1" per foot of the vessel LOA.

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Dang! ..... Her we go with the size matters issue again....

I'm going to have to find a bigger flag now.... What a drag.
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Old 01-10-2015, 16:51   #33
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Dang! ..... Her we go with the size matters issue again....

I'm going to have to find a bigger flag now.... What a drag.



What I was pointing out was correct flag etiquette. Most people couldn't give a hoot or (worse, in my opinion) simply can't be bothered even if they do know the etiqette.
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Old 01-10-2015, 17:08   #34
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Dang! ..... Her we go with the size matters issue again....

And just to stir the pot a little further... it's discriminatory on more than just size. The skin colour (of the flag) is a serious factor. So it's racist too!
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Re: Flag: USA or AUS?

I take it your vessel is Australian Owned within the meaning of the Shipping Registration Act 1981. (Commonwealth Law) - If so you commit an offence under Section 69 if you leave a foreign port (in most cases) - not that anyone is going to care while you stay out of Australia, but be aware of this if you ever intend to return.
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Just as a simple clarification about correct flag etiquette (and legal requirements)...

A listed ship under 12 m I believe has the choice in Australia of flying the Red or the Blue.

Personally I'd fly the red simply because I'm permitted to and listed ships are the only ones allowed to (But I don't have either just yet)

I also intend to fly the Indigenous flag on special occasions but always with the red.
Yep choice is red ensign or National Flag
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I didn't know you two were yanks?
Can't help it, RC: we were born there!

And we are so old that Oz does not want to take us on as citizens... bloody ageist bastards!

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I'm not sure how you can register it as a US flagged ship... neither you or your partner are US citizens, and if it is registered in a company name, then over 50% of the shareholders need to be US citizens.
Last time I checked what mattered was not the nationality of shareholders but the nationality of directors/officers. I was told I (not US citizen) could own a corp that could register the boat with USCG if my American daughter was the only officer of the corporation.

Those non-Americans who think about state or USCG papers in the US should figure out how would they handle estate tax on US-situs assets, for which there are significant breaks only for those with US citizenship or domicile.


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A listed ship under 12 m I believe has the choice in Australia of flying the Red or the Blue.

Personally I'd fly the red simply because I'm permitted to and listed ships are the only ones allowed to (But I don't have either just yet)

I also intend to fly the Indigenous flag on special occasions but always with the red.
Its under 24 metres, - see the rules at Rules about Australian falg
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Re: Flag: USA or AUS?

Oh my.
Delaware does not care about your citizenship. That is only a factor for Federal documentation, not state registration.
I think if you have a problem off shore, the nearest coast guard will help you regardless of your flag.
Keeping it registered in Delaware is the easiest and cheapest.
Why spend money frivolously? Now, if you were telling me you like the looks of the Guernsey flag, well that is okay. Splurge.
I myself never fly Old Glory.I fly the US Navy Ensign with the snake on it. And have tea parties of course.
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Re: Flag: USA or AUS?

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I didn't know you two were yanks?
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Can't help it, RC: we were born there!

And we are so old that Oz does not want to take us on as citizens... bloody ageist bastards!

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Never mind, ya been here long enough to honorary ockers

And you even know a good number of aussie colloquialisms it seems; especially Ann

Heck you know more about east coast Oz cruising than most of us here - although I might pip you when north of Cooktown
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Its under 24 metres, - see the rules at Rules about Australian falg
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Re: Flag: USA or AUS?

Another tangent, we went with Jersey (UK) because it only took a week for the paperwork vs 3 months from what other Aussies told us. Jersey is well regarded and pretty cheap.
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You might want to check with your insurer if they mind that you are committing an offence.
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Re: Flag: USA or AUS?

An offence? Since when was it an offence for Australian to own foreign property?
I would query the wording of that bit of the regs.
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