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Old 06-10-2014, 11:38   #16
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if he had RUN OUT of fuel HOW was he DRIVING the power boat?

surely he must have drifted onto the rocks.........

SPIN
Guess you weren't able to link to the original article. It was a sailboat.

Even a power boat out of fuel there's plenty of options. Drop an anchor comes to mind.

And call it SPIN all you want to. If that guy had a BA of 0.165 he was drunk. Not buzzed, not tipsy but drunk. Too drunk to be driving any kind of boat, power or sail.
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that wasn't a "yacht"

In Australia, and the rest of he world sans USA a sail boat is a Yacht.
In the USA a "yacht" is a gas guzzlin pile of motor boat fit for topless hookers and spivs.

Work out where you are, Sailorboy!

<------- A Yacht.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:47   #18
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Re: Drunk skipper founders his yacht

Atoll, seriously what is it that you consider SPIN? I ask sincerely and do not understand.

Even if the article was pure SPIN, pure BS, pure holier than thou ranting, what difference does that make?

What difference does it make whether or not it was in the paper?

What difference does it make whether or not the article in the paper was condemning or judgmental or HTT or anything else?

If the basic fact in the article that his BA was 0.165 is correct then he should not have been in charge of a boat. All else is moot.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:55   #19
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Atoll, seriously what is it that you consider SPIN? I ask sincerely and do not understand.

Even if the article was pure SPIN, pure BS, pure holier than thou ranting, what difference does that make?

What difference does it make whether or not it was in the paper?

What difference does it make whether or not the article in the paper was condemning or judgmental or HTT or anything else?

If the basic fact in the article that his BA was 0.165 is correct then he should not have been in charge of a boat. All else is moot.
you are quite correct it was a sailing yacht,but hardly a "LUXUARY YACHT" as the news choose to spin it.

now if every case of drink driving was reported on the news there would hardly be space for news stories like ISIL or other minor stuff........... and the do gooders would still be at home beating their wives and abusing children............
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In the USA a "yacht" is a gas guzzlin pile of motor boat fit for topless hookers and spivs.
Damn, I need to get rid of my blow boat and get a yacht as they sound like a lot more fun
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Old 06-10-2014, 12:14   #21
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you are quite correct it was a sailing yacht,but hardly a "LUXUARY YACHT" as the news choose to spin it.

now if every case of drink driving was reported on the news there would hardly be space for news stories like ISIL or other minor stuff........... and the do gooders would still be at home beating their wives and abusing children............
I do not dispute that the article was typical news BS or SPIN or any other label you want to put on it. I am in complete agreement about the BS in all news media, especially TV but newspapers as well. I don't care if this case was reported in the news or not. The one and only point I am trying to make is boating while very intoxicated is dangerous, to you and those around you.

Several times in my life I have known people or incidents that were reported in the news and in every single case the facts were wrong, screwed up or misrepresented, intentionally or just from stupidity.

Just one example, the ABC show 20/20 years ago had a bit about ultralight aircraft, very sensational and declaring them to be death traps. I happened to own the exact model in the show.

The ultralight community and all the trade publications were outraged and published the full interview of the parties involved in the incident. 20/20 had intentionally edited out the most important facts of the case to make the show more sensational and to show that plane as completely unsafe, when in fact it had one of the best safety records in the industry and the accident was 100% pilot error by a pilot that had never flown any ultralight, much less this particular model.

So I think it obvious that I have a very healthy skepticism about the news industry in general.

But facts are facts, whether it was in a paper or not. If any boater, the one in this case or any other boater, in the paper or not, reported or not, wrecking a boat or made it home safe, is that impaired then he/she should not be driving a boat.
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Re: Drunk skipper founders his yacht

I'm with Skipmac on this one. .165 is not drunk, it's way beyond plastered. He has no business operating a toaster in this condition, never mind a boat. I saw a TV show years ago where they took college students, got them drinking and driving on a closed, controlled course. Long before they got to the legal level most of them were passed out. So .165 is not only mind-bogglingly drunk, it's a sure sign of long term tolerance. This guy can thank his lucky stars if he ends up in a program that helps him deal with his drinking problem. Before he kills someone.
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I'm with Skipmac on this one. .165 is not drunk, it's way beyond plastered. He has no business operating a toaster in this condition, never mind a boat. I saw a TV show years ago where they took college students, got them drinking and driving on a closed, controlled course. Long before they got to the legal level most of them were passed out. So .165 is not only mind-bogglingly drunk, it's a sure sign of long term tolerance. This guy can thank his lucky stars if he ends up in a program that helps him deal with his drinking problem. Before he kills someone.
im not condoning his actions but they use the same alcohol limits for drivers of cars capable of speeds of 150 miles per hour.

this is just a stick with which to beat the yachting community in their "LUXUARY YACHTS",and spin by the media
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Re: Drunk skipper founders his yacht

I wouldn't want to be in charge of a boat at .165 but it's not all that shitcanned, especially for a 28 yo that probably drinks regularly. That's about 10 beers over a couple hours for an average male. I would hazard most of us have been there at least a couple times. Not condoning actions, only drinking
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In Australia, and the rest of he world sans USA a sail boat is a Yacht.
In the USA a "yacht" is a gas guzzlin pile of motor boat fit for topless hookers and spivs.

Work out where you are, Sailorboy!

<------- A Yacht.
In the US a yacht is a boat used for recreational purposes regardless of how it's powered.

So, in this case it was a yacht no matter where it was located.
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Re: Drunk skipper founders his yacht

I think in the US it's a "yacht" if it doesn't require a coast guard capacity plate. Otherwise it's a boat.
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Re: Drunk skipper founders his yacht

It is a Compass 28. It is not 29' as stated in the article and it is certainly not a "luxury" yacht. It is however a very capable vessel and quite a few have thousands of offshore miles to their name. Full keeled little darlings they are. I am not truly certain but I am sure a few have circumnavigated.

I like a drink as well, but that is way over being drunk, that is nearly incapacitated.

They are called yachts here.

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Re: Drunk skipper founders his yacht

Boat, yacht, whatever they're called, I'm pretty sure I'm not rich enough nor good looking enough to own something called a yacht.
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Re: Drunk skipper founders his yacht

some interesting figures here from gord
Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC)
looks like to have .165,he could have had as few as 6 -7,5% tinnies

Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC)

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How many drinks = 0.08?

The following charts can be used to estimate blood or breath alcohol concentration (BAC).
How to use: Given a person’s weight and the number of drinks, the chart provides a BAC.
Subtract from this number the amount of alcohol eliminated since the time of the first drink, using the average of 0.015 per hour (for men), or 0.018 per hour (for women).

For the purposes of these charts, a “drink” is:
• 12 oz. of 4.2% beer (a typical “lite” beer)
• 4 oz. of 12-13% wine
• 1.25 oz. of 80-proof liquor

These alcohol charts are only general guidelines, and actual alcohol concentrations achieved may vary.

Alcohol chart (men)
Body weight ... Number of drinks
............. 1 ..... 2 ... 3 .... 4 .... 5 .... 6
120 lbs. .031 .063 .094 .125 .156 .188
130 lbs. .029 .058 .087 .116 .145 .174
140 lbs. .027 .054 .080 .107 .134 .161
150 lbs. .025 .050 .075 .100 .125 .151
160 lbs. .023 .047 .070 .094 .117 .141
170 lbs. .022 .045 .066 .088 .110 .132
180 lbs. .021 .042 .063 .083 .104 .125
190 lbs. .020 .040 .059 .079 .099 .119
200 lbs. .019 .038 .056 .075 .094 .113
210 lbs. .018 .036 .053 .071 .090 .107
220 lbs. .017 .034 .051 .068 .085 .102

EXAMPLE: A 180-pound man could have four drinks within one hour - a considerable amount of drinking - and his BAC would be: .083 (from the chart) minus .015 (.015 x 1 hour) = .068.

Alcohol chart (women)
Body weight ... Number of drinks
............ 1 ..... 2 ... 3 ... 4 .... 5 .... 6
90 lbs. .053 .106 .159 .212 .265 .318
100 lbs. .047 .094 .141 .188 .235 .282
110 lbs. .042 .084 .126 .168 .210 .252
120 lbs. .038 .076 .114 .152 .190 .228
130 lbs. .036 .072 .108 .144 .180 .216
140 lbs. .033 .066 .099 .132 .165 .198
150 lbs. .031 .062 .093 .124 .155 .186
160 lbs. .028 .056 .084 .112 .140 .168
170 lbs. .027 .054 .081 .108 .135 .162
180 lbs. .026 .052 .078 .104 .130 .156

EXAMPLE: A 120-pound woman could have three drinks within two hours, and her BAC would be: .114 (from the chart) minus .036 (.018 per hour x 2 hours) = .078.

NOTE: These BAC figures are for drinking without eating. Having something to eat along with a drink may slow alcohol absorption and lead to a lower blood or breath alcohol concentration.

Tolerance has no effect on the rate at which someone's alcohol level will climb. An older, experienced drinker will not get to .08 any slower than a young lightweight drinker. How quickly they are impaired will likely be different, but their actual body alcohol level will not be affected by their experience with alcohol. The only exception being if the older drinker has suffered liver damage, in such case, his alcohol level would be HIGHER than the young drinker because his body would have a diminished ability to eliminate the alcohol as it is consumed.

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Chemical Test Section, Wisconsin Department of Transportation, Division of State Patrol
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[...] Most likelly, if he gets on the water again, he won't do this again. [...]
This reminds me of what my grandfather told the cop who pulled him over for rolling through a stop sign -- "Officer, I'll probably never do that again." (the officer was not pleased)
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