Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 17-03-2011, 07:49   #16
Senior Cruiser
 
Captain Bill's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: On the boat
Boat: Endeavourcat Sailcat 44
Posts: 2,313
Re: Documented or State Registered?

NC does not require state registration for USCG documented vessels however other states to which you may be traveling require registration in some state. Florida comes to mind. If you don't have a NC registration sticker, Florida will expect you to buy one of theirs or they will ticket you. USCG documentation is the equivalent of a state title, not registration. It's just like a car where you have a state title and then register the car to get a license plate. The fact that your boat meets all registration requirements in your home state without a state registration matters not to other states. The difference will be that as a documented vessel you are not required to display state numbers, but only the registration sticker.
__________________

__________________
Captain Bill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-03-2011, 08:39   #17
Registered User
 
capnorv's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Bainbridge Island Washington on the Salish Sea
Boat: Hardin 45 Voyager Alice B., Gig Harbor 10, Orca 7 1/2 sloop, 16' sea kayak
Posts: 364
Images: 1
Re: Documented or State Registered?

Ummm, I hate to bring this up, but is a Catalina 27 of enough gross tonnage to qualify for Documentation. My old Newport 27 was not, so moot point.
__________________

__________________
capnorv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-03-2011, 08:51   #18
Registered User
 
Misiu's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Bocas del Toro, Panama
Boat: Catalina 30 "Niunia"
Posts: 180
Re: Documented or State Registered?

Quote:
Originally Posted by capnorv View Post
Ummm, I hate to bring this up, but is a Catalina 27 of enough gross tonnage to qualify for Documentation. My old Newport 27 was not, so moot point.
That may help to calculate it
USCG Marine Safety Center (MSC)
__________________
Michał
"The acquisition of the knowledge of navigation has a strange effect on the minds of men." /Jack London/
Misiu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-03-2011, 10:20   #19
Registered User
 
Tripod's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: St. Augustine, FL
Boat: Morgan Out Island 415
Posts: 220
Re: Documented or State Registered?

Quote:
Originally Posted by capnorv View Post
Ummm, I hate to bring this up, but is a Catalina 27 of enough gross tonnage to qualify for Documentation. My old Newport 27 was not, so moot point.
It should be (just barely). My Catalina 25 just squeeked by when I did the calculation a couple of years ago, so a 27 should make the cut.
__________________
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Without question, the greatest invention in the history of mankind is beer. Oh, I grant you that the wheel was also a fine invention, but the wheel does not go nearly as well with pizza." Dave Barry
Tripod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-12-2011, 10:22   #20
Registered User
 
Nicholson58's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Live aboard
Boat: Camper & Nicholson58 Ketch - ROXY Traverse City, Michigan No.668283
Posts: 3,466
Images: 83
Re: Documented or State Registered?

Quote:
Originally Posted by foggysail View Post
If the boat is foreign made, it cannot be documented to my knowledge. Also, the Coast Guard can give you answers to most of your questions.
You certainly can document foreign built boats. The problem is if you intend to use it for commercial purposes. You will not get the documentation to show anything but private ownership. For commercial, you need US built in general so that construction was supposedly inspected etc. It is, however, possible to have your congressman attach a rider to any existing bill for an exception to your vessel for commercial use. Aren't lawyers great?

We are a documented 1984 Camper & Nicholson built in Gossport UK. Currently in Michigan. Many inland states don't know how to handle this and try to make you ALSO apply state ID numbers. This is not legal. They can make you buy the water use tag and pay state sales taxes. Documentation used to be a way to avoid both but the loophole is closed now in most states.

I would not travel outside US waters without documentation. Renewal is FREE and you never pay a state use fee as long as you stay away.
__________________
Nicholson58 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2011, 18:43   #21
Registered User
 
1rkghost's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 106
Sorry if this is off topic but where are you supposed to display your registration numbers?
__________________
1rkghost is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2011, 18:48   #22
Registered User
 
1rkghost's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 106
I mean coast guard doc numbers not state numbers
__________________
1rkghost is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2011, 19:02   #23
Senior Cruiser
 
Jim Cate's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
Posts: 11,447
Re: Documented or State Registered?

FWIW,

We have been cruising foreign waters for the past 25 years, visiting 13 Pacific nations. Our boat is registered in the state of Illinois (where it has never been), since that is our legal address. We have never had the slightest difficulty in dealing with formalities in any of those countries.

We've posted this fact here on CF a number of times, but the legends about Federal documentation being required are hard to kill.

It might be easier in some cases to satisfy the CG requirements than the state regulations, and the "free" renewal is nice. But if you are cruising outside of good mail service the renewal process has been in the past a problem for many of our documented friends. I don't know what the current rules demand... possibly some on-line renewal is possible... likely one of the posters here can say.

Cheers,

Jim
__________________
Jim and Ann s/v Insatiable II , lying Port Cygnet, Tasmania once again
Jim Cate is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2011, 19:09   #24
Registered User
 
1rkghost's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 106
Maybe still not clear i mean where on the boat do i install the numbers for coast guard documentation
__________________
1rkghost is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2011, 19:26   #25
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 83
Coast Guard issued documentation numbers are to be permanently attached to a permanent part of the vessel. I have mine scribed on a wood board and screwed to the bulkhead in my aft berth.
__________________
Rick01541 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2011, 19:39   #26
Registered User
 
markpierce's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Central California
Boat: M/V Carquinez Coot
Posts: 3,413
Re: Documented or State Registered?

Removing the number plate will create a scar. It isn't just screwed on. Still, some will say mine isn't sufficiently permanent.

__________________
markpierce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2011, 20:11   #27
Registered User
 
Nicholson58's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Live aboard
Boat: Camper & Nicholson58 Ketch - ROXY Traverse City, Michigan No.668283
Posts: 3,466
Images: 83
Re: Documented or State Registered?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick01541 View Post
Coast Guard issued documentation numbers are to be permanently attached to a permanent part of the vessel. I have mine scribed on a wood board and screwed to the bulkhead in my aft berth.

- to a permanent part - - inside the vessel. They are not outside and you are not permitted to display any other numbers such as state registration numbers. Ours are attached to an interior bulkhead with C-sunk screws. The screw heads are in turn C-bored with a forstner bit and an antique Mexican silver 5 centavo coin is glued over the screw. The coin is a compass rose. (bottom row, 2nd from the left)
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	P1180003.JPG
Views:	79
Size:	241.0 KB
ID:	35033  
__________________
Nicholson58 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2011, 20:18   #28
Senior Cruiser
 
delmarrey's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Now in Blaine, WA
Boat: Modified Choate 40
Posts: 10,702
Images: 122
Re: Documented or State Registered?

Mine #'s are 3" vinyl stick-on's, covered with two layers of epoxy and FG, which are behind the electrical panel attached to the hull.
__________________
Faithful are the Wounds of a Friend, but the Kisses of the Enemy are Deceitful! ........
A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves!

Unprepared boaters, end up as floatsum!.......
delmarrey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2011, 20:23   #29
Registered User
 
Nicholson58's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Live aboard
Boat: Camper & Nicholson58 Ketch - ROXY Traverse City, Michigan No.668283
Posts: 3,466
Images: 83
Re: Documented or State Registered?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Cate View Post
FWIW,


legends about Federal documentation being required are hard to kill.

"free" renewal is nice. But if you are cruising outside of good mail service the renewal process has been in the past a problem for many of our documented friends. possibly some on-line renewal is possible...
Cheers,

Jim
Renewal on line is the norm. Have the new paper sent to someone in the US to forward to you so you can arrange timing & location.

Our current state registration which includes water use tax & sticker is 550 clams. Once we leave, I don't plan to ever buy a renewal.

I have read the posts of many newbies who sailed off with only a state registration and ran into a hornet's nest. The difficulty is proving you own the boat. Without CG papers you will need to carry a lot of other paper that a foreign official may choose to not accept. This depends entirely where you are.
__________________
Nicholson58 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2011, 20:36   #30
Senior Cruiser
 
Jim Cate's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
Posts: 11,447
Re: Documented or State Registered?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicholson58 View Post
Renewal on line is the norm. Have the new paper sent to someone in the US to forward to you so you can arrange timing & location.

Our current state registration which includes water use tax & sticker is 550 clams. Once we leave, I don't plan to ever buy a renewal.

I have read the posts of many newbies who sailed off with only a state registration and ran into a hornet's nest. The difficulty is proving you own the boat. Without CG papers you will need to carry a lot of other paper that a foreign official may choose to not accept. This depends entirely where you are.
G'Day Nicholson58 (nice boat, BTW... love those older C&N's)

Admittedly, different states have different setups. So far, Illinois rego costs us 37USD every third year. Hard to beat. The document that they supply is called a Certificate of Title, and it has been accepted without question everywhere we've cleared in. No other papers have ever been requested by any official.

Officials in different countries may have different ideas, but really, the worst that they could do (unless they are simply bandits) is to deny you inward clearance. A nuisance, but not insurmountable. As I said, our experience is wholly in the Pacific, dealing with countries large (Australia) to small (Niue). Other venues could indeed be different.

Cheers,

Jim
__________________

__________________
Jim and Ann s/v Insatiable II , lying Port Cygnet, Tasmania once again
Jim Cate is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Do American Liveaboards Have To Be State Residents? Canibul General Sailing Forum 109 19-06-2017 15:36
What Will Happen to Boat Pricing when Euro Is Under Par to US$ ? vegasandre Dollars & Cents 345 14-07-2015 09:25
Importing a Boat to Australia Reefer Multihull Sailboats 1057 31-12-2013 18:01
Sales Tax - Purchase Between Two Individuals ? andreas.mehlin Dollars & Cents 30 21-11-2011 00:37
Trinidad: Limited State of Emergency MarkJ Atlantic & the Caribbean 8 22-08-2011 10:52



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 17:59.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.