Do you use a Daytime Black ball at Anchor?

[conachair]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

All that says is that you have to comply with the rules I showed.

It says the shapes apply to daytime, rule 30 says what lights and shapes apply to all vessels. Under 50m only one light is required.

Rule 30
Anchored vessels and vessels aground.
(a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be seen:

(i) in the fore part, an all-round white light or one ball;

(ii) at or near the stern and at a lower level that the light prescribed in paragraph (i), an all-round white light.

(b) A vessel of less than 50 metres in length may exhibit an all-round white light where it can best be seen instead of the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule.

Only under 7m is no shape required.

(e) A vessel of less than 7 metres in length, when at anchor, not in or near a narrow channel, fairway or anchorage, or where other vessels normally navigate, shall not be required to exhibit the lights or shape prescribed in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this Rule.

It's not obvious if the images you included are just for Queensland or global, above is from the IRPCS. Another reread, it looks like maybe the wording might be a little better in your second image - "The following examples describe common day shapes and navigation lights" which could be taken to imply they just apply to commercial vessels. Not so. The IRPCS must have taken forever to write as it is so precise and very difficult to misinterpret.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

My interpretation of colregs and Maritime Safety Queensland rules are obviously different.
To me it says a black ball is optional and only required for commercial vessels.

Is Maritime Queensland going to appear in court to defend you.

Jim's approach is the correct one for prudent folks who don't want unwelcome adventures in their lives.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by conachair

It says the shapes apply to daytime, rule 30 says what lights and shapes apply to all vessels. Under 50m only one light is required.



Only under 7m is no shape required.
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Rule 30
Anchored vessels and vessels aground.
(a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be seen:

(i) in the fore part, an all-round white light or one ball;

(ii) at or near the stern and at a lower level that the light prescribed in paragraph (i), an all-round white light.

(b) A vessel of less than 50 metres in length may exhibit an all-round white light where it can best be seen instead of the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule.

See that small word in red?

And part b) says ignore the lights in a) and run all-round white light, which we do.

[conachair]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

See that small word?

Yes. Have a look at rule 20 ....

(d) The Rules concerning shapes shall be complied with by day.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by RaymondR

Is Maritime Queensland going to appear in court to defend you.

Jim's approach is the correct one for prudent folks who don't want unwelcome adventures in their lives.

The rules are there in black, white and red.
No defence required

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by conachair

Yes. Have a look at rule 20 ....

(d) The Rules concerning shapes shall be complied with by day.

And the rules concerning day shapes are an all round white light or a ball

I'll go the all round white light up front, which can be ignored as we are under 50m and instead go the all round masthead instead

[conachair]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

And the rules concerning day shapes are an all round white light or a ball

I'll go the all round white light up front, which can be ignored as we are under 50m and instead go the all round masthead instead

No,an all round white light is a light not a shape, lights are not shapes.

Rule 20
(b) The rules concerning lights shall be complied with from sunset to sunrise, and during such times no other lights shall be exhibited, except such lights as cannot be mistaken for the lights specified in these Rules or do not impair their visibility or distinctive character, or interfere with the keeping of a proper look-out.

(c) The lights prescribed in these Rules shall, if carried, also be exhibited from sunrise to sunset in restricted visibility and may be exhibited in all other circumstances when it is deemed necessary.

(d) The Rules concerning shapes shall be complied with by day.

[Jim Cate]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

All that says is that you have to comply with the rules I showed.

I don't think that COLREGS make any distinction between commercial and non-commercial in application of rules. We are all "vessels" under the terms of Rule 3, even us little guys (well, you are not so little!), and are bound by the rules. Vessels under 7 meters in length are exempted from both shapes and lights at anchor, but that's the only exception AFAIK.

Jim

[Simi 60]

MSQ certainly differentiates between commercial and private.
https://www.msq.qld.gov.au/Safety/Navigation-lights

And, colregs, by using the word "or" to my way of thinking is giving me a choice.
If they were insistent it should read white light "and" a ball

[44'cruisingcat]

We never used to, but after being hit by rowers in Sydney harbour I put it up far more often. Not that many people know what it means.

In some of the remote or very shallow anchorages we visit I sometimes forget.

[kmacdonald]

My anchored in the daylight signal is the anchor rode running at an angle from a stern cleat to the water.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

And the rules concerning day shapes are an all round white light or a ball

I'll go the all round white light up front, which can be ignored as we are under 50m and instead go the all round masthead instead

1. A light is not a day shape!


2. Bad drafting!
They should have specifically stated rather than leaving it to inference:

an all round white light or a ball depending on whether it is day or night

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by sanibel sailor

My spherical radar reflector is painted black. Dual purpose- reflector that just happens to be black when underway and an anchor ball when anchored.

Do you not see that it is wrong to fly an anchor ball while underway ?

[Jason Flare]

Originally Posted by StuM

1. A light is not a day shape!


2. Bad drafting!
They should have specifically stated rather than leaving it to inference:

an all round white light or a ball depending on whether it is day or night

But they didn’t.

[RaymondR]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

The rules are there in black, white and red.
No defence required

Nope, in deciding whether or not Australian state government rules and regulations legally apply you have to check whether or not the federal government is party to a foreign treaty or convention (Tasmanian Dams Case) if so the jurisdiction of the state may be challenged. So if they give you an infringement notice you raise $250,000 or so and challenge it in the High Court.

There was a case in Western Australia where a professional fisherman had his license revoked after taking the Fisheries Department's advice. The advice did not comply with the legislation but he was still considered liable for the infringement. He spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in a futile attempt to get it back and then found a lawyer who advised him properly wherein he sued the department for the wrong advice and won a big payout.