Originally Posted by elknimrod
We'll said brother. Do we really want another runaway beauracracy that we are forced to fund with the result being just more big government
? Can anyone say TSA?
Lets put another nail in the coffin of freedom. I'd rather keep the freedom and put up with the idiots, the freedom is one of the best parts
of being a mariner Please realize more government is never the answer. We need to police ourselves, including the yahoos, it's the cost of freedom we need to be willing to pay.
my point exactly. at one time in history
, people solved
their own problems, as a community. as government has gradually become more and more controlling and restricted, people turn to government as the solution to every problem. the problem is, government is ineffective much of the time. it spends far more money (anyone remember the $500 hammers?) to attain a less effective result at the expense of individual freedom.
look around you; at every other element of life where government was used to 'solve' a problem.
have extreme drunk driving laws, with rediculous standards, stopped drunk driving? no. statistics still say that drunk driving is responsible for 25% of all fatal traffic accidents. that hasn't changed. interestingly, when reading such numbers, no one seems to point out that 25% is far less than the 75% of fatal accidents caused by people who were not drunk and made decisions that resulted in a fatal accident
how about gun control laws? hitler was the first one to claim gun control would make life safer (anyone remember how that turned out?). America has been following his example more and more as time marches on. has it helped stop violent crime? no. in fact, places with stronger gun laws have higher violent crime rates. and, of course, the liberty of law abiding citizens has taken the hit.
every time government is put in charge of an issue, the cost of a solution skyrockets and the people pay a price
in decreased freedom and increased red tape
there are solutions that can be achieved without more government involvement. i suggested one in a previous post. another is that the boating community can work to increase the education of boaters.
the same thing was done with motorcycles, in the late 70s and 80s. motorcycling organizations started working towards educating riders, working towards rider safety. accident rates dropped, although motorcycle registrations increased. it was one way motocyclists fought the helmet law. if you reduce accidents then the supposed reason for a helmet law go away. we were all willing to put forth the effort for our own benefit; that benefit being keeping the government out of our lives.
of course, when the federal government started it's blackmail of the states, many states, including mine, force helmet law regulation, anyway. why was the federal government so eager to enforce helmet laws? was it concern for rider safety? no. they were being pushed by the insurance
industry, who has a lot of pull. the insurance
industry loves helmet laws because a large chunk of the price
you pay for a helmet goes to insurance, padding their wallets.
helmet laws actually haven't helped. statistically, helmet law states have higher accident rates than non-helmet law states, even when the non-helmet law states have a lot more riders. back before california
passed it's helmet law, they had far less accidents than rhode island
, which had a helmet law. you can guess the comparative motorcycle registration
rates in both of these states.
then, the rich yuppies started riding, in droves. they had disposable income
and thought they were cool. they bought lots of bikes; starting with big powerful bikes instead of working their way up from smaller bikes (which is generally the way most actual bikers do it). since they thought they were the end all and be all, they figured they didn't need any rider education. motorcycle accidernts increased dramatically, often involving alcohol. previously, most accidents were caused by the young hotdoggers. since then, it's been the older crowd that has been the biggest source of accidents.
my point? voluntary education, supported and championed by the people, was very effective. government regulation was not. add a spate of uneducated people, who feel they need no education, and you get proof that the previous non-governmental education push actually did work.
there is no reason that the boating community can't work towards educating it's own members, as in the UK, and achieve similar results.