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10-12-2017, 15:01
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Re: Do I really need a license that is valid for the countries I visit?
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I am a licensed ham operator so licensing is covered with respect to radios.
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Actually...
At least in Germany this is not the case. This was actually a question in the test for the VHF radio operator license (at least for the inland waters radio certificate) .. an amateur radio license doesn't entitle you to operate a ship radio station in Germany. I don't know about elsewhere in Europe but not unlikely that this is also the case I would guess.
Now please don't start shooting
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10-12-2017, 15:57
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Re: Do I really need a license that is valid for the countries I visit?
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Originally Posted by crankysailor
Actually...
At least in Germany this is not the case. This was actually a question in the test for the VHF radio operator license (at least for the inland waters radio certificate) .. an amateur radio license doesn't entitle you to operate a ship radio station in Germany. I don't know about elsewhere in Europe but not unlikely that this is also the case I would guess.
Now please don't start shooting
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no problem also I rather doubt I would be sailing in Germany . Possibly the med but still not likely I'm a Pacific sailor
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10-12-2017, 17:41
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Re: Do I really need a license that is valid for the countries I visit?
IIRC, Yanks going to foreign waters need both a Station license and an Operators license to be legal. In 31 years cruising in the Pacific, we've never been asked for either.
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10-12-2017, 18:54
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Re: Do I really need a license that is valid for the countries I visit?
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Originally Posted by Jim Cate
IIRC, Yanks going to foreign waters need both a Station license and an Operators license to be legal. In 31 years cruising in the Pacific, we've never been asked for either.
Jim
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I thought that even in US waters if you use your HF it and you needed a license, a VHF you did not, it’s similar I guess to CB and FRS.
On the Ham license covering Marine, it may, logic would say it certainly should, but maybe Joe official want to see that Restricted Telephone Operators Permit and doesn’t know any better?
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10-12-2017, 19:01
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Re: Do I really need a license that is valid for the countries I visit?
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Originally Posted by a64pilot
I thought that even in US waters if you use your HF it and you needed a license, a VHF you did not, it’s similar I guess to CB and FRS.
On the Ham license covering Marine, it may, logic would say it certainly should, but maybe Joe official want to see that Restricted Telephone Operators Permit and doesn’t know any better?
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to answer your question yes it does for tech and above.
The Technician License
The Technician class license is the entry-level license of choice for most new ham radio operators. To earn the Technician license requires passing one examination totaling 35 questions on radio theory, regulations and operating practices. The license gives access to all Amateur Radio frequencies above 30 megahertz, allowing these licensees the ability to communicate locally and most often within North America. It also allows for some limited privileges on the HF (also called "short wave") bands used for international communications
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10-12-2017, 19:07
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Re: Do I really need a license that is valid for the countries I visit?
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Originally Posted by newhaul
to answer your question yes it does for tech and above.
The Technician License
The Technician class license is the entry-level license of choice for most new ham radio operators. To earn the Technician license requires passing one examination totaling 35 questions on radio theory, regulations and operating practices. The license gives access to all Amateur Radio frequencies above 30 megahertz, allowing these licensees the ability to communicate locally and most often within North America. It also allows for some limited privileges on the HF (also called "short wave") bands used for international communications
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FWIW, the above licence wouldn't cut the mustard in Australia with regard to transmitting on marine VHF and HF frequencies. I would be surprised if was accepted in most other countries that are signatories to the ITU.
Of course it would be good for most HAM (Amateur Radio) operations.
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10-12-2017, 19:27
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Re: Do I really need a license that is valid for the countries I visit?
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FWIW, the above licence wouldn't cut the mustard in Australia with regard to transmitting on marine VHF and HF frequencies. I would be surprised if was accepted in most other countries that are signatories to the ITU.
Of course it would be good for most HAM (Amateur Radio) operations.
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I'm a general but the info was listed with the tech license which is below mine.
Also once you pass the tests to get a general ham ticket its easy to pass the hf and vhf tests.
( I got mine back about 35 years ago when you still had to know Morse code. )
cooperated several mars stations back in the day to.
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10-12-2017, 19:50
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Re: Do I really need a license that is valid for the countries I visit?
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Originally Posted by newhaul
I'm a general but the info was listed with the tech license which is below mine.
Also once you pass the tests to get a general ham ticket its easy to pass the hf and vhf tests.
( I got mine back about 35 years ago when you still had to know Morse code. )
cooperated several mars stations back in the day to.
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But the point is that no ham license gives you privileges on the Marine frequencies, MF, HF or VHF. For HF anywhere and VHF in foreign waters, the ship needs a station license and the operator needs a Restricted RAdio Operators permit or better, both issued by the FCC. No test is involved, but there is a fee for the station license.
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10-12-2017, 19:56
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Re: Do I really need a license that is valid for the countries I visit?
OFCOM in the UK does not charge for a ship station licence. But only for British registered vessels.
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10-12-2017, 20:07
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Re: Do I really need a license that is valid for the countries I visit?
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Originally Posted by newhaul
I'm a general but the info was listed with the tech license which is below mine.
Also once you pass the tests to get a general ham ticket its easy to pass the hf and vhf tests.
( I got mine back about 35 years ago when you still had to know Morse code. )
cooperated several mars stations back in the day to.
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Regardless, for most of the planet these days you are required to hold Marine certification for Marine MF/HF/VHF operations, there is no credit or recognition given for holding a HAM/Amateur licence and you can't operate (legally) Marine MF/HF/VHF equipment if all you hold is a HAM/Amateur licence, no mater what level it may be, it's irrelevant......
EG Australia: https://www.acma.gov.au/theacma/mari...qualifications
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10-12-2017, 20:43
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Re: Do I really need a license that is valid for the countries I visit?
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Originally Posted by newhaul
to answer your question yes it does for tech and above.
The Technician License
The Technician class license is the entry-level license of choice for most new ham radio operators. To earn the Technician license requires passing one examination totaling 35 questions on radio theory, regulations and operating practices. The license gives access to all Amateur Radio frequencies above 30 megahertz, allowing these licensees the ability to communicate locally and most often within North America. It also allows for some limited privileges on the HF (also called "short wave") bands used for international communications
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I'd be very surprised if there are any countries where an amateur licence is also good for marine bands. US amateurs can only use the bands listed here: Frequency Allocations - Note there are no marine bands, those "limited privileges on HF bands" are strictly for amateur HF bands.
And for ships licences:
https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-...radio-stations
You do not need a license to use marine VHF radios, any type of EPIRB, any type of radar, GPS or LORAN receivers, depth finders, CB radio, or amateur radio (an amateur license is required). Ships that use MF/HF single side-band radio, satellite communications, or telegraphy must continue to be licensed by the FCC.
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Ships are considered as operating domestically when they do not travel to foreign ports or do not transmit radio communications to foreign stations. Sailing in international waters is permitted, so long as the previous conditions are met. If you travel to a foreign port (e.g., Canada, Mexico, Bahamas, British Virgin Islands), a license is required. Additionally, if you travel to a foreign port, you are required to have an operator permit.
So regardless of the laws of other countries, the USA requires you to have a licence if a US flagged boat leaves the USA.
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10-12-2017, 21:55
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Re: Do I really need a license that is valid for the countries I visit?
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Originally Posted by Kelkara
I'd be very surprised if there are any countries where an amateur licence is also good for marine bands. US amateurs can only use the bands listed here: Frequency Allocations - Note there are no marine bands, those "limited privileges on HF bands" are strictly for amateur HF bands.
And for ships licences:
https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-...radio-stations
You do not need a license to use marine VHF radios, any type of EPIRB, any type of radar, GPS or LORAN receivers, depth finders, CB radio, or amateur radio (an amateur license is required). Ships that use MF/HF single side-band radio, satellite communications, or telegraphy must continue to be licensed by the FCC.
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Ships are considered as operating domestically when they do not travel to foreign ports or do not transmit radio communications to foreign stations. Sailing in international waters is permitted, so long as the previous conditions are met. If you travel to a foreign port (e.g., Canada, Mexico, Bahamas, British Virgin Islands), a license is required. Additionally, if you travel to a foreign port, you are required to have an operator permit.
So regardless of the laws of other countries, the USA requires you to have a licence if a US flagged boat leaves the USA.
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it is a learning experience for me I having not left us territorial waters in about 20 years.
Guess I will need to spend some money for licenses. ( its all about the money it seems if there is no skill test given)
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11-12-2017, 00:16
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Re: Do I really need a license that is valid for the countries I visit?
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it is a learning experience for me I having not left us territorial waters in about 20 years.
Guess I will need to spend some money for licenses. ( its all about the money it seems if there is no skill test given)
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Technically it is about being a signatory to the ITU; it is what the international community has agreed to.
Each member state decides how to meet it's obligations; maybe you correct about how it is in the US; it's different down under - a course, test and money etc - but's it isn't onerous . But you still get a lot operators who apparently learn't nothing or more likely, have never worried about getting the licence.
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