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Old 12-01-2012, 05:40   #31
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With a criminal record (albeit 32 years old) i can be issued a canadian passport and travel to any country on the globe, mostly without pre-arranged visa, except the USA. Like i said "Go figure"
that surprises me that even with a passport in hand you cannot enter the USA. I didnt know that.
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Old 12-01-2012, 09:14   #32
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Re: Cruising as a Canadian

...but I think this thread is about medical coverage not getting a passport.
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Old 12-01-2012, 10:31   #33
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I'm sorry, is this a statement? If so, you're getting ripped by your insurance company. Two years ago, a friend of mine and his wife were visiting from Canada to share TG on board our boat. The day after TG she had a reaction to her medication and we took her to a local hospital where they observed her over night then released her in the morning. The used their Canadian travel insurance coverage, and the hospital phoned the company to verify. All was well. they never paid a dime either at the hospital or once they got home. The bill was over 15K and was paid in full. It is NOT the norm to have to pay on the spot while in the US, if you have coverage.
15K for one night of "observation"?

Constable, I believe I've "observed" a crime.
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Old 12-01-2012, 10:55   #34
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15K for one night of "observation"?

Constable, I believe I've "observed" a crime.
Secretary from an NGO that I am a board member of had a gall bladder issue in Florida, and ended up in hospital for 2 weeks.

I saw the end bill... $246K!!!!!

Yes, our insurance covered her. Ridiculous amount.
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Old 12-01-2012, 13:21   #35
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I'm sorry, is this a statement? If so, you're getting ripped by your insurance company. Two years ago, a friend of mine and his wife were visiting from Canada to share TG on board our boat. The day after TG she had a reaction to her medication and we took her to a local hospital where they observed her over night then released her in the morning. The used their Canadian travel insurance coverage, and the hospital phoned the company to verify. All was well. they never paid a dime either at the hospital or once they got home. The bill was over 15K and was paid in full. It is NOT the norm to have to pay on the spot while in the US, if you have coverage.
This was an answer to Fifty360's question where it was asked if Canadian Health care system covered abroad. My answer was correct and was not refering to any insurance coverage bought.

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Old 13-01-2012, 12:10   #36
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Secretary from an NGO that I am a board member of had a gall bladder issue in Florida, and ended up in hospital for 2 weeks.

I saw the end bill... $246K!!!!!

Yes, our insurance covered her. Ridiculous amount.
I think people can forgive stuff like taking a leak on your dead enemies, but this...this...
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You can be turned back without reason going either way. What's your point?

my "point"?
excuse me. It appeared to me that the thread was generally about circumventing Canadian law and immigration policies. Isn't that what the OP is trying to do? Avoid checking in and out of Canadian immigration in order to scam the health care system?

And you are somehow unable to see the parallels with sneaking in and out of Canada with a twenty year old DUI conviction, and why someone might be interested in how you Canadians do it?

Well, that does explain a few things, I guess.
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my "point"?
excuse me. It appeared to me that the thread was generally about circumventing Canadian law and immigration policies. Isn't that what the OP is trying to do? Avoid checking in and out of Canadian immigration in order to scam the health care system?

And you are somehow unable to see the parallels with sneaking in and out of Canada with a twenty year old DUI conviction, and why someone might be interested in how you Canadians do it?

Well, that does explain a few things, I guess.
I don't know what you think it explains. You suggested there would be screaming and whining if the US stopped people from entering for DUI's and I'm pointing out they can and do stop you for any reason they like going either way. Unless you are a citizen you have no right of entry into the country. I fail to see what that has to do with the health care system.
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I did say excuse me.

You are right, you have not been able to explain why you are unable to see that both issues involve circumventing Canadian law and immigration policies. One person wants to slip in and out for health insurance reasons, another wants to go see Banff without hassles over a decades-old traffic fine.

I think it is also incorrect in that it is not a matter of ""for any reason they like". A US Immigration Officer will not officially refuse you entrance into the USA because of your hair style, or choice of music on the car stereo. Maybe Canadians do, I don't know. I am not talking about stopping you to ask you if you have any cigarettes to declare. They stop you from entering Canada, based upon an ancient misdemeanor conviction that was not committed in Canada in the first place. Its Canadian government policy.
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I did say excuse me.

You are right, you have not been able to explain why you are unable to see that both issues involve circumventing Canadian law and immigration policies. One person wants to slip in and out for health insurance reasons, another wants to go see Banff without hassles over a decades-old traffic fine.

I think it is also incorrect in that it is not a matter of ""for any reason they like". A US Immigration Officer will not officially refuse you entrance into the USA because of your hair style, or choice of music on the car stereo. Maybe Canadians do, I don't know. I am not talking about stopping you to ask you if you have any cigarettes to declare. They stop you from entering Canada, based upon an ancient misdemeanor conviction that was not committed in Canada in the first place. Its Canadian government policy.
You can think anything you want but reality is a reason is not required for a border guard to refuse entry into the US to a Canadian. In fact on an unsubstantiated suspicion they can pack them off to Guantanamo and torture them.

Reality is neither is likely to happen since businesses south of the border like the colour of our money.

A citizen has a right to cross the border but a non-citizen does not. Permission is not guaranteed going either way.
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Re: Cruising as a Canadian

So, I take off from Canada for a 5 year circumnav, never set foot on Canadian soil for the duration and then return, slip off the customs dock and break my toe. What happens when I go to the hospital?
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So, I take off from Canada for a 5 year circumnav, never set foot on Canadian soil for the duration and then return, slip off the customs dock and break my toe. What happens when I go to the hospital?
My understanding is all Canadian citizens are entitled to medical care. I know it used to be insurance still paid but you have to pay your premium. Again, I think the details may vary from province to province but universal health care is a right, so they fix the toe and begin sending your monthly health care bill.

If you are injured while out of the country you can always fly home and reinstate your health care as well.
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So, I take off from Canada for a 5 year circumnav, never set foot on Canadian soil for the duration and then return, slip off the customs dock and break my toe. What happens when I go to the hospital?
My understanding is that your Health Care rights while abroad are jeopardized if you do not follow the rules but that if you return to live in Canada you are entitled to it when you return. But I am not sure. For example say you have been away for 4 years, now you need a triple bypass and you return here, I wouldnt leave it to chance that you would not receive a bill. This I do need to know before I leave.

My plan is to sail from Lake Ontario to Halifax, then begin my two year approved extended absence, sail to portugal etc, plan to sail home again within that two year window, then do the return every 6 months for a month or so and go again. I think in that way, I am well covered.
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Manitoba has, and I'm sure that most if not all provinces have, a website for Health Care. That is where you need to get your information. If you are out of Canada for an extended period of time and injure yourself, do not expect the health care system to cover you.

When you return from an extended absence it will be 3 months before you are eligible for coverage.
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In Canada, you cannot get a passport if you have a criminal record, not at least untill you habe received a pardon which takes 10 years. These rules are part of an international agreement and similar across the board. Therefore if you have a criminal record in the USA I doubt very much that you can get a passport which means you CANNOT enter into Canada either.
Quoted as a Canadian. Both your statements lack any substance, based on my experience as a dual citizen.
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