Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 09-02-2015, 03:55   #1
woc
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Punta Gorda, Florida
Boat: Lagoon450
Posts: 58
Crew or Passenger?

When entering the U.S. from another country the immigration form requires to list passenger and or crew. Our vessel is US registered ( chartered) and my partner and I are not US citizen or resident and sail the yacht without crew.
If we list our selfs as passengers will immigration ask for details of the crew?
If we list as crew will immigration ask for details of employer?
Does it matter? We both travel with valid US business visas.
Anyone with experience or knowledge of immigration procedures to give some guidance?
__________________

__________________
woc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2015, 04:47   #2
Registered User
 
Rubikoop's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: St Thomas USVI
Boat: Freedom Express 39 cat ketch
Posts: 751
Crew or Passenger?

I would describe yourselves as captain and crew. The word passenger infers that one of you is paying to be there.
__________________

__________________
Rubikoop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2015, 06:05   #3
woc
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Punta Gorda, Florida
Boat: Lagoon450
Posts: 58
Re: Crew or Passenger?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubikoop View Post
I would describe yourselves as captain and crew. The word passenger infers that one of you is paying to be there.
Makes sense. My concern to is that Imigrations would consider the captain and crew to be " working" in the US which is not allowed under the vise we hold.
__________________
woc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2015, 06:24   #4
Moderator Emeritus
 
GordMay's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
Posts: 31,577
Images: 240
Re: Crew or Passenger?

You are "crew".

Title 33 CFR 160.204, definitions for crewmember and persons in addition to crewmembers:
As used in this subpart:
Crewmember means all persons carried on board the vessel to provide navigation and maintenance of the vessel, its machinery, systems, and arrangements essential for propulsion and safe navigation or to provide services for other persons on board.
https://www.uscg.mil/hq/cgcvc/cvc2/g...Definition.pdf
__________________
Gord May
"If you didn't have the time or money to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"



GordMay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2015, 06:32   #5
Long Range Cruiser
 
MarkJ's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Australian living on "Sea Life" currently in England.
Boat: Beneteau 393 "Sea Life"
Posts: 12,828
Images: 25
Re: Crew or Passenger?

In all countries you are Crew.
Its got nothing to do with working unless you have passengers.

Passengers pay to be on biard so in many countries you nedd to pay fees or taxes for passengers but not for crew.

So on boats we are always crew
__________________
Notes on a Circumnavigation.
OurLifeAtSea.com

Somalia Pirates and our Convoy
MarkJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2015, 07:20   #6
woc
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Punta Gorda, Florida
Boat: Lagoon450
Posts: 58
Re: Crew or Passenger?

Quote:
Originally Posted by GordMay View Post
You are "crew".

Title 33 CFR 160.204, definitions for crewmember and persons in addition to crewmembers:
As used in this subpart:
Crewmember means all persons carried on board the vessel to provide navigation and maintenance of the vessel, its machinery, systems, and arrangements essential for propulsion and safe navigation or to provide services for other persons on board.
https://www.uscg.mil/hq/cgcvc/cvc2/g...Definition.pdf
All clear and many thanks for the link. Just wanted to be sure.
__________________
woc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2015, 09:11   #7
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: UK and Central America
Boat: Tucker CA41 Steel 40 foot Ketch
Posts: 314
Re: Crew or Passenger?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkJ View Post
In all countries you are Crew.
Its got nothing to do with working unless you have passengers.

Passengers pay to be on board so in many countries you need to pay fees or taxes for passengers but not for crew.

So on boats we are always crew
+1 I can confirm that in Belize you are charged extra for Passengers and/or Guests
__________________
Triumphant is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 13-02-2015, 16:33   #8
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: West Indies
Boat: Burger 74' motor yacht, 65 foot 12 metre, Flicka and sailing dinghy
Posts: 635
Crew or Passenger?

Wait a minute here.... If you are the Captain and your 2 month old baby is on board, it certainly is not helping with navigation or other duties so its not crew. But its not paying for passage, at least in my family we never made the babies pay!! How could it be a passenger? So the definitions need some clarification.And the USCG reference you gave says that the baby may not be a passenger but goes on the passenger list.


Sent from an undisclosed location on the high seas or from the lounge chair by the pool, you decide.
__________________
To a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
dohenyboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-02-2015, 16:40   #9
Registered User
 
Astrid's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Northern British Columbia, part of the time in Prince Rupert and part of the time on Moresby Island.
Boat: 50-ft steel Ketch
Posts: 1,885
Send a message via MSN to Astrid Send a message via Yahoo to Astrid
Re: Crew or Passenger?

Quote:
Wait a minute here.... If you are the Captain and your 2 month old baby is on board, it certainly is not helping with navigation or other duties so its not crew. But its not paying for passage, at least in my family we never made the babies pay!! How could it be a passenger? So the definitions need some clarification.And the USCG reference you gave says that the baby may not be a passenger but goes on the passenger list.
Mascot?
__________________
'Tis evening on the moorland free,The starlit wave is still: Home is the sailor from the sea, The hunter from the hill.
Astrid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-02-2015, 16:43   #10
Senior Cruiser
 
Therapy's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: W Florida
Boat: The Jon boat still, plus a 2007 SeaCat.
Posts: 6,894
Images: 4
Re: Crew or Passenger?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dohenyboy View Post
Wait a minute here.... If you are the Captain and your 2 month old baby is on board, it certainly is not helping with navigation or other duties so its not crew. But its not paying for passage, at least in my family we never made the babies pay!! How could it be a passenger? So the definitions need some clarification.And the USCG reference you gave says that the baby may not be a passenger but goes on the passenger list.


Sent from an undisclosed location on the high seas or from the lounge chair by the pool, you decide.
Hence, a lawyer is born.
Shame on you.
I hope your chair falls in the pool.
__________________

__________________
Who knows what is next.
Therapy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
crew

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Captain, Crew or Passenger? kmason Rules of the Road, Regulations & Red Tape 5 26-06-2013 10:22
Passenger / Crew Pickup USVI jim767 General Sailing Forum 6 29-01-2012 13:25
Crew Available: Passenger for Now, Crew Later . . . ? 7708Green Crew Archives 0 20-09-2011 12:19
Crew Available: Crew and Passenger Lynton Crew Archives 0 27-04-2010 13:49
World's Largest Passenger Ship Christened CaptainK Powered Boats 0 13-05-2006 00:10



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:43.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.