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Old 23-07-2013, 09:16   #16
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McCormick said he had weapons and that there would be violence if the crew attempted to get on the boat, Leahey said.
Good thing he had weapons onboard.
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Well, it is possible as well that the whole story about fake mayday was invented by CG to justify.
Do you honestly believe that the USCG has nothing better to do than harass innocent boaters? Recreationaly and professionally I have never seen them do anything like that.
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Old 23-07-2013, 09:25   #18
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A reasonable voice comparison, plus triangulation of the sender's position would be sufficient to reasonably identify the sender, I hope.

Most annoying fouling of the marine band I've heard was one Sunday afternoon when a couple of security installers were using marine radios to align and focus a camera. On ch 68.
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Re: Coast Guard Detains Uncooperative Boater After Chase On SF Bay

Inventing a false mayday call to justify boarding is a bit of a stretch, they have enough to do chasing down the real maydays.
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Is that an evil government paranoid view or are people really out to get you?
I don't believe in government agenda. Only stupids would believe in such silly things. Every sane person knows that it is aliens, but I am immune to their tricks - my new foil hat fits and works just right!

I didn't say it was that CG invented this. I said it is possible - background connected with security, police and bloody lawers makes me feel that everything is possible in this world. However, I think it is not much likely.

About open mic - well, a radio direction finder could help.
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Old 23-07-2013, 10:42   #21
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A warrantless search is a warrantless search. Either the CG has cause to believe that a crime was being committed or it doesn't. We'll see if the uncooperative boater can defend his position.

If he prevails, I have much higher expectations of hearing about it in 'Latitude 38' than on CBS.
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Re: Coast Guard Detains Uncooperative Boater After Chase On SF Bay

The USCG does not need probably cause to board any vessel. They can board anyone, anywhere. Possible exception of U.S. Naval vessels.
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The USCG does not need probably cause to board any vessel. They can board anyone, anywhere. Possible exception of U.S. Naval vessels.
Exactly what I was going to say. The CG does not nee a warrant or even probable cause. They can board any vessel within the US waters for no reason at all so all these "they need to prove who it was on voice recording" is not a a valid point or argument at all. They can board and they did so. He was monumentally stupid and stupidity will usually end you up either in jail or dead.

If I am in a foreign country and the local authorities want to board me and search, they can. Why should the US be any different? Don't like it? Stay on land or as my mom says "tough darts farmer".
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The USCG does not need probably cause to board any vessel. They can board anyone, anywhere. Possible exception of U.S. Naval vessels.
Finally after all the gun threads a real case of who has the bigger guns (or missiles).
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Why should the US be any different?
Because of the Constitution.
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Because of the Constitution.
The CG's authority comes not from the Constitution, but from the Cutter Revenue Act which is pretty much as old as the Constitution itself.

It would not matter in this case in the least, since foreign nationals are not covered by the Constitution.

As for Americans, do you really want the CG to not have the ability to search boats which are capable of moving in and out of the country? See the Border Search Exception.
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I didn't say the CG 'made-up' the false MayDay's. Why any boater would radio false mayday's just makes no sense, what is their motivation?
This man's 'sounds like' the ones in the false maydays is what is 'made-up'.
If he has a distinctive sound, perhaps others in Richardson Bay are mocking his voice with false MayDay calls to set him up, and get him thrown out of 'their' place he invaded?? That makes more sense to me than some foreigner arriving buying a new boat, and then sending out false MayDays ! Although equally unlikely.
Maydays are probably kids not understanding how serious it is, like bomb threats to their high school, they should be found and prosecuted.

But think for a moment, what has this man done? Sitting on his new boat, he is 'harrassed' by the CG because he hasn't gotten it documented yet? They ask to board, he says 'no', not being from the USA maybe he doesn't understand 'no' is not a possible answer? Decides its time to go already, those jerks in the bay hate him, now the authorities are harrasing him.

Just another side to the story, I don't know what the reality is, certainly the 'news show' or even the police slant things to they view.
I mean the guy could have kidnapped children or planned to blow up the golden gate, the police need to think worse case, that is their job, the truth comes out later, maybe MUCH later.
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I think he is pretty fortunate he did not pull this stunt in say, Mexico. Either way, he is an idiot and its probably best to get him off the seas!
Too bad he didn't try to pull it off in Mexico.
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Why any boater would radio false mayday's just makes no sense, what is their motivation?
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Maydays are probably kids not understanding how serious it is, like bomb threats to their high school, they should be found and prosecuted.
I obviously don't know if this guy is guilty or not, but adults do make false mayday calls. Why? Why do people do crazy stupid things? Some disturbed people get their kicks by stirring things up. It's not rational, and it's not just kids that do it. Suggesting that other boaters/liveaboards in Richardson Bay set this guy up? Now that's a bizarre speculation.
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Re: Coast Guard Detains Uncooperative Boater After Chase On SF Bay

I wonder if the reports will be true this is the same D.H. who performed that mayday down in Monterey?
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