Clearing in from Tender While 'Mother Ship' Is Outside the Twelve-Mile Limit

[Jim Cate]

Maybe I'm being dense, but if you are gonna leave the boat offshore, why are you clearing in at all?

Further, in our experience in many ports they will definitely want to inspect the vessel clearing in, and to physically compare passports with people.

James, when you are bored, try to come up with better nonsensical questions!

Cheers,

Jim

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by James S

The first part was just to explain how I came to the question.
I figured some would connect the dots and see the off shore "bank" as an interesting thought....relative the the thread I mentioned.
Hell....I don't know...I'm board!

I (vaguely) recall in the original internet boom someone had the great idea of putting a bank in space (on a Sattelite) for the same reasons. I think the idea got kyboshed by onshore (terrestial ) regulators pointing out that unless it had an equivalent regulator to there own (and at a Govt level) - that other banks would not be allowed to deal with it, therefore not much use.

The idea of an offshore floating knocking shop comes up now and again......

[senormechanico]

I wonder how many pages of posts this thread is going to get within a month or so?

[markpierce]

Originally Posted by James S

....if your global roaming boat is kept off shore, beyond the 12 or 24 mile limit of these varying countries, and you come to shore in your tender to clear in (I'll assume that the tender is a legally documented vessel) would that tender be the only vessel mentioned in the documents? If, for instance, its an open rib type vessel or a jet ski...I wonder how the authorities would handle this.

Why would one want to do this? Someone, please demonstrate the positive logic of traveling a score of miles in open sea, in a dinghy yet!, in advance of one's boat to enter a harbor, a foreign one at that.

[s/v Beth]

Cruise ships have casinos and tax free shopping at sea, but they always come in to port. Now you have me interested, James. What exactly would you be trying to avoid by doing the dingy trip? Not to mention hooking back up with a drifting boat in high seas (you know they are going to get high), even if someone was on board trying to help you.
I once considered going from Sidney BC to Bellingham USA in a dingy, but the customs hassle was too much. Nicer just to take the ferry.

[James S]

There are many reasons for wanting to come to shore like medical or shopping of picking up guests or just generally looking around.

When I say tender I'm not imagining a 10ft dingy..I expect they would fully inspect the vessel checking in...the tender....and the passports.

With the mother ship off shore I may not have isues with fresh fruits and vegies...wood and what ever critters they harbor....a big ass cannon or the like (just kidding) my years supply of insulin or other commodities in volumes that the authorities may be concerned are meant to be imported..

I can think of lots and lots of reasons for not having the mother ship subject to Local law.

[James S]

Originally Posted by markpierce

Why would one want to do this? Someone, please demonstrate the positive logic of traveling a score of miles in open sea, in a dinghy yet!, in advance of one's boat to enter a harbor, a foreign one at that.

In stead of, not in advance of.
Plenty of tenders will do 12 miles in a half hour.

[s/v Beth]

The logics to me seem challenging. Are you going to anchor on a sea mount? I am not sure I would like to be the one staying behind. What if you get boarded out there? Maybe they think your a spy ship?

[s/v Jedi]

I find the questions of the OP completely logical and normal

Let them stomp their feet 'till they are green, all you clear in is your tender, while the mothership stands by off shore, with all the meats, veggies, hydroponic gardens, liquors, cash, guns and don't forget a large hot looking crew with passports that don't allow entry without visa.

Much like a space station. You can even make docking bays for visitors! Make sure Jedi fits in, we'll be around often

cheers,
Nick.

[James S]

Hey Newt...I'm thinking this would be a larger vessel than the typical cruiser, and would be crewed accordingly...anchoring may not be in the mix.

Thanks for that Nick....You got my "drift".

[Bash]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

liquors, cash, guns and don't forget a large hot looking crew with passports that don't allow entry without visa.

When you're ready, James, I'll hire on to drive the tender.

I'm almost certain you can afford me.

[Blue Stocking]

There is a kind of a twisted version of what you ask happening now.
Some of the large motherships which come here to Bermuda for the marlin tournament, tow 28-35 ft high speed rigs behind them.
The big boats do clear in and act as the base for operations, but they are the vanity side. The other boats run 30 miles offshore to Argus Bank to fish.

[James S]

How big are those big boats Blue?
So do they also clear in the smaller vessels?

[James S]

Originally Posted by Bash

When you're ready, James, I'll hire on to drive the tender.

I'm almost certain you can afford me.

....

[Blue Stocking]

Originally Posted by James S

How big are those big boats Blue?
So do they also clear in the smaller vessels?

The motherships are the real gold-platers for the owners accomodations and entertaining. Can be 90-120ft. They do clear in and anchor in the harbour.
The tenders are in the 28-35ft range with 2 or 3 300hp outboards.
My point was James, there are systems which support you question.
My understanding from my buddies in Customs, is that the28-35 ft'ers are considered tenders, as the big boats rarely come alongside. I will check, and let you know.