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Old 14-07-2019, 05:08   #1
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Canadian & American Border Agents to Share Information

Canadian & American Border Agents to Share Information
U.S. Customs and Border Protection and the Canada Border Services Agency will exchange biographic data, travel documents, and other information related to border crossings of U.S. and Canadian citizens.
Since 2012, the two countries have shared similar data about legal permanent residents and third country nationals.
A news release [1], from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, says the data sharing will help both governments determine how long a person has been in or out of the country, and identify those who have overstayed their period of admission.

1. ☞ https://www.dhs.gov/news/2019/07/11/...-iii-entryexit
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Oh goody...

I wonder how far away we are from active monitoring. Technology is certainly there, so itís a not a big leap to see some demand for a technological monitoring system of all visitors.
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Re: Canadian & American Border Agents to Share Information

“... Exit information will be collected, used and disclosed in accordance with Canadian law, including the Privacy Act, the Customs Act and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms ...”
CBSA Presser ➥ https://www.canada.ca/en/border-serv...nitiative.html

I wonder if the Feds will (be able to) share this information with the Provinces. If so, it would become more difficult to “game” the residency requirements of the Provincial Health plans.
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ď... Exit information will be collected, used and disclosed in accordance with Canadian law, including the Privacy Act, the Customs Act and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms ...Ē
CBSA Presser ➥ https://www.canada.ca/en/border-serv...nitiative.html

I wonder if the Feds will (be able to) share this information with the Provinces. If so, it would become more difficult to ďgameĒ the residency requirements of the Provincial Health plans.
My view is that it is inevitable ó unless we can install some absolute legal barrier I think it is only a matter of time before this becomes routine. I think CARP (Can. Ass. for Retired People) has been warning about the prospect of this happening for a few years now.
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Oh goody...

I wonder how far away we are from active monitoring. Technology is certainly there, so itís a not a big leap to see some demand for a technological monitoring system of all visitors.
This is being announced very much post facto.

In 2005 with sailing vessels arriving into Toronto for the National Offshore One Design races, Canadian authorities walked the docks targeting specific vessels. Armed with crew lists, they had cross referenced to US government-supplied records. Dozens of crew members with DUI and other low level offenses were removed from boats, bussed to to border, and thrown out of Canada.

Needless to say, that was darned near the end of large US-Canadian races on Lake Ontario (at least) and the economic benefits they bring.

That said, most boaters on the St Lawrence River donít have time for this Mickey Mouse BS so ignore the boundary and associated rules to check in with govt authorities.
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This is being announced very much post facto.

In 2005 with sailing vessels arriving into Toronto for the National Offshore One Design races, Canadian authorities walked the docks targeting specific vessels. Armed with crew lists, they had cross referenced to US government-supplied records. Dozens of crew members with DUI and other low level offenses were removed from boats, bussed to to border, and thrown out of Canada.

Needless to say, that was darned near the end of large US-Canadian races on Lake Ontario (at least) and the economic benefits they bring.

That said, most boaters on the St Lawrence River donít have time for this Mickey Mouse BS so ignore the boundary and associated rules to check in with govt authorities.
Interesting, b/c I suspect that this would have been illegal back then. Donít suppose anyone tried to challenge this in court?

Of course way back in 2005 it would have actually been hard to do. Probably required printed lists. Today data exchange is much easier, and we have mountains of data to share.

It used to be that our privacy was protected by the complexity and cumbersomeness of data exchange. This has largely disappeared now. Soon, there will be no place to hide .
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Since border guards can now demand device and cloud/SM account passwords, and use automated devices that extract all your data while detaining you at the border,

those engaging in journalistic and activist projects being suppressed by the authorities should have been transitioning to full-on spycraft-level infosec techniques.

Anti- fossil-fuels and other Green issues, anti-racism, anti-fascism, animal rights, indigenous rights, especially immigration policy these days, all are being targeted as if "national security" is at stake.
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I'm actually quite surprised they don't already share information.

I go to Canada all the time. Love it. Great country/people.

I had always assumed Canadian Border Patrol saw my in/out record of Canada, in/out record of the USA and all criminal history down to traffic violations.

Also, it used to be you got on a boat to escape these things. Or traveled internationally. Now it seems the best freedom from being closely monitored is to hunker down inside your own country.
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Recently I accidentally ended up at the border check point to Canada. I mistakenly passed the last exit and had to go through the lines and speak to an agent. They have blocked the turn around they used to have to simply go back. It took us a half hour for nothing. My reasoning is they are acquiring facial recognition. Just before and at the booth both the US side and Canadian side have a ton of cameras focusing on you are various angles while you wait. It's pretty obvious they are forcing you to go through the booth and get multi angle photos of your face. Then linking that info to your ID.
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Interesting, b/c I suspect that this would have been illegal back then. Donít suppose anyone tried to challenge this in court?



Of course way back in 2005 it would have actually been hard to do. Probably required printed lists. Today data exchange is much easier, and we have mountains of data to share.



It used to be that our privacy was protected by the complexity and cumbersomeness of data exchange. This has largely disappeared now. Soon, there will be no place to hide .


I can tell you that about 2005 we had a ferry pilot ferrying an airplane to Morocco that landed in Canada, he just wanted fuel and to continue on, but was forced back to the US cause he had an ďincidentĒ on his record that Canada wouldnít allow him into Country with.
So, how did they know this if data wasnít being shared?
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Re: Canadian & American Border Agents to Share Information

Canada has had access to US criminal records for many years. I assume the US has had the same data on Canadian citizens for years as well.
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The only thing amazing about this story is that there are people who didn't think governments with a common border wouldn't share this information.
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In 2005 with sailing vessels arriving into Toronto for the National Offshore One Design races, Canadian authorities walked the docks targeting specific vessels. Armed with crew lists, they had cross referenced to US government-supplied records. Dozens of crew members with DUI and other low level offenses were removed from boats, bussed to to border, and thrown out of Canada.
In fairness, Canadians with impaired convictions aren't allowed into the US either; if you have a conviction you have to jump through a hoop or two to get their permission beforehand. Difficult, but doable. Or - don't drive drunk.

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Needless to say, that was darned near the end of large US-Canadian races on Lake Ontario (at least) and the economic benefits they bring.
... because convicted DUIs are such good sailors? I don't think being a sailor should provide a special exemption. The LO300 launched this weekend, I know several American boats came up to the start at PCYC...

I crewed one cross-border L Ont race. One of the boats had a crew member with an Irish passport. He hadn't applied for a visa beforehand, so the boat was sent back right away. Them's the rules...

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Since border guards can now demand device and cloud/SM account passwords, and use automated devices that extract all your data while detaining you at the border,

those engaging in journalistic and activist projects being suppressed by the authorities should have been transitioning to full-on spycraft-level infosec techniques.
Is it true that they have a legal right to access SM and cloud accounts, even if you don't have clients or history on your device? I've assumed that they can access your device and whatever is on it, and that's it.

Anyway, full on infosec shouldn't be required; travel with a wiped device or no device, then access what you need later.
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There is extensive, ongoing intelligence coordination with the "four eyes" (US, UK, Canada, and Australia) and the "five eyes" (add New Zealand). Because NZ doesn't host nuclear-powered or nuclear-armed vessels, they don't share in some nuclear intel. Cooperation with governments outside these four/five is via traditional law enforcement channels.
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Since border guards can now demand device and cloud/SM account passwords, and use automated devices that extract all your data while detaining you at the border,

those engaging in journalistic and activist projects being suppressed by the authorities should have been transitioning to full-on spycraft-level infosec techniques.

Anti- fossil-fuels and other Green issues, anti-racism, anti-fascism, animal rights, indigenous rights, especially immigration policy these days, all are being targeted as if "national security" is at stake.

That sounded odd, so I looked it up:


U.S. officials say it remains a minuscule percentage of overall travellers — 0.007 per cent, or roughly one per 13,000. The Department of Homeland Security says it's necessary to combat crimes like terrorism and child pornography.


So not really a huge concern to most cruisers or travelers.
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