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Old 10-12-2017, 15:59   #1
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Broken Y-valve. Any risk in a boarding?

My Y-valve is broken. The handle moves, but the actual valve is stuck in the position pointing toward "overboard discharge".

I don't use the toilet, but want to make sure I not at risk in a USCG boarding.

The handle to the Y-valve is padlocked in the position pointing to "holding tank". However, it broken and the actual valve is sending any thing in the toilet overboard.

Am I at risk in a boarding? Does the USCG ever put a die in the toilet to test where the discharge is actually going? i.e. If they tossed a blue die-pack in the toilet, blue die would instantly come out from under the boat via a discharge thru-hull. But, is this a common or even infrequent test the USCG might perform or do they merely look for the locked handle and move on???

Again, I don't use the toilet. So, I haven't been motivated to replace the Y-valve.

Anyone ever heard to the marine patrol or USCG testing the actual path of discharge???
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Old 10-12-2017, 16:00   #2
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Re: Broken Y-valve. Any risk in a boarding?

If you are worried about it, why not just fix the valve?
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Old 10-12-2017, 16:08   #3
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Re: Broken Y-valve. Any risk in a boarding?

Yes I've heard of law enforcement using dye to check the system. Just replace the valve and stop worrying.
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Re: Broken Y-valve. Any risk in a boarding?

If springing $60-70 for a new y-valve is an issue just disconnect it from hoses and try to work it free using a vinegar bath or some descaler product. If you can get to shore power use a hair dryer to soften the hoses up.
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Re: Broken Y-valve. Any risk in a boarding?

They put dye in in FL. Especially around New Smyrna. $300 fine. Get a new Y valve. Cheaper than the fine.
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Re: Broken Y-valve. Any risk in a boarding?

Most in florida will use the die and give you a fine if your y is not secured. Even if the die doesn't come out.
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Re: Broken Y-valve. Any risk in a boarding?

Can you close the thru hull? Then no die will exit. Your valve already looks like its in the right position. No problems then.
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Re: Broken Y-valve. Any risk in a boarding?

Mikeod came up with the easy answer, just close the seacock. Doesn't matter where the Y valve is set as long as the seacock is closed, nothing can go overboard. Tie wrap the handle in the closed position.
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Re: Broken Y-valve. Any risk in a boarding?

First of all, a die will probably plug up the head:


Dye, however, will certainly give away the position of the valve. But I don't thing the USCG will be doing that. Far more likely it'll be state law enforcement.
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Re: Broken Y-valve. Any risk in a boarding?

Not so sure I would just close the seacock. If it built up pressure when blue dye was put in and the head pumped, it could blow back, and the enforcement officer doing it, could wind up looking like a Smurf and that could only make the situation worse. If that happens, post the video here, we need some good entertainment.
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Re: Broken Y-valve. Any risk in a boarding?

Do the right thing and replace the damn valve. I'm pretty sure while YOU may "hold it", you can't speak for your guests, and if someone sees waste exiting your boat inshore, you'll be reported as another shitty sailor.
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Re: Broken Y-valve. Any risk in a boarding?

There are a few anchorages/marinas that do a dye check, Avalon in SoCal being one, but haven't heard the CG or other law enforcement actually doing it on a boarding. Have been boarded twice by the CG for a 'Courtesy inspection' and they only wanted to see I had a way to shut the head discharge off and it was in the off position and assume yours would pass inspection as the sea cock on my head is frozen open and the 'Y' valve was zip tied in the closed position. Both the boardings were in inshore waters so subject to those regulations.
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Re: Broken Y-valve. Any risk in a boarding?

If your valve is locked in the dump position you will be assumed guilty of dumping. If you cannot getit fixed lock do what ever you have to to make sure it is in the tank position and place a zip tie to keep it there. If boarded explain what you did and invite them to dye test. You probably will be ok.
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Re: Broken Y-valve. Any risk in a boarding?

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Do the right thing and replace the damn valve. I'm pretty sure while YOU may "hold it", you can't speak for your guests, and if someone sees waste exiting your boat inshore, you'll be reported as another shitty sailor.
There is always the risk of a boarding by the CG.
In the Northwest, inland waters are now, no discharge zones, yes, they can use a dye test to "inspect" your system.
So, why not fix the problem?
If you simply close the thru Hull valve, that may work... However, this has been unsuccessful in fending off a citation more than once.
These law enforcement officers have seen this ploy before.
Doing the right thing as a boater is the proper choice.
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Re: Broken Y-valve. Any risk in a boarding?

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My Y-valve is broken. The handle moves, but the actual valve is stuck in the position pointing toward "overboard discharge".

I don't use the toilet, but want to make sure I not at risk in a USCG boarding.

The handle to the Y-valve is padlocked in the position pointing to "holding tank". However, it broken and the actual valve is sending any thing in the toilet overboard.

Am I at risk in a boarding? Does the USCG ever put a die in the toilet to test where the discharge is actually going? i.e. If they tossed a blue die-pack in the toilet, blue die would instantly come out from under the boat via a discharge thru-hull. But, is this a common or even infrequent test the USCG might perform or do they merely look for the locked handle and move on???

Again, I don't use the toilet. So, I haven't been motivated to replace the Y-valve.

Anyone ever heard to the marine patrol or USCG testing the actual path of discharge???
Save the grief, replace the valve.
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