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Old 19-02-2014, 15:40   #16
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Re: Bahamas Serious About Proper Clearance

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So can you just rock up to any port in the whole of the Bahamas then ?
I thought there would be a gateway if you like.
there are a number of clearing in ports, but not every island in the bahamas has one. if you're interested the information is available all over the internet. we've cleared in/out at cat cay, bimini, west end, and green turtle cay.

what was a 26' power boat doing just west of ship channel cay? there is little doubt that he stopped at least once at some place in the bahamas to refuel, which means he had to make a landfall, which means he is required to clear in. probably tried to save the $150 fee.
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Old 19-02-2014, 15:40   #17
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Re: Bahamas Serious About Proper Clearance

The laws for the Bahamas are very specific. They require that any boat entering Bahamas waters check in at the CLOSEST and first port of entry. That doesn't mean you can continue on if you don't touch land. That means you have to check in OR don't enter Bahamian waters. It does not matter what the law of the seas states. It's their waters and failing to follow their laws can get you thrown in jail. Then you can argue the law of the seas. Chuck
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Old 19-02-2014, 16:23   #18
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Do private planes have to clear in or through on over-flights?

No, and you can fly anywhere and land so long as there is customs at that airport. I've flown from Ft Pierce to San Salvador and cleared there, but to be clear, your on Radar and talking to them with your own "sqwalk" on the transponder. It's not like your flying in low under the Radar with your transponder turned off, they know your coming and who you are way before you get in their airspace.
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Old 19-02-2014, 16:59   #19
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Re: Bahamas Serious About Proper Clearance

We have met several people like this who don't seem to think customs and immigration laws apply to them. Surprisingly common. Some of them have expensive boats. Crazy stuff.
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Old 19-02-2014, 18:24   #20
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Re: Bahamas Serious About Proper Clearance

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In ts simplest form, you can sail outside of the island group, but don't go between any islands.

"Right of Free Passage" only applies to "International Straits", not to "Internal Waters".

6NM west of Ship Channel Cay is certainly the latter.


Edit: And as BandB say, if you are transiting and inside their territorial waters, fly the Pratique flag.
As Stu says you can't transit internal waters. You guys better look up the definition. Its interesting, and reasonable.

Any if the "yellow flagging" countries as in other threads is just BS.
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Old 19-02-2014, 18:40   #21
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Re: Bahamas Serious About Proper Clearance

Passage is "innocent "so long as it is not prejudicial to the peace , good order or security of the coastal state .
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Old 19-02-2014, 18:45   #22
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Weapons practice , spying ,embarking or disembarking passengers , taking on or discharging goods in violation of custom regs , violating sanitary laws , all above would be a short list of violations of Innocent passage .
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Is it possible that a 26 foot boat was making an innocent passage to the Turks or the D.R. , Sure , why not . Idiots in that size boat do it many times in the course of a year .
I have seen 18 foot row boats from Haiti in Grand Turk .
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You mean to tell me that some countries are testy about their borders and people passing through their territories, Shocking I say Shocking!!!!!
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Old 19-02-2014, 19:22   #25
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Sounds like they should have checked out Noonsite.com — Noonsite
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[QUOTE=denverd0n;1472085]Nah. Can't be. Don't you guys read all the threads on here where people tell you not to worry about it, because you won't get caught? Americans in Cuba, not checking in, working under the table... Nobody ever gets caught for any of these things.

This whole thread must just be a joke.



Never heard of an American not checking in to Cuba. It would be crazy to risk something like that as you might well end up staying much longer than intended.

Perhaps you mean not checking in to the US upon return?
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We have met several people like this who don't seem to think customs and immigration laws apply to them. Surprisingly common. Some of them have expensive boats. Crazy stuff.
Do you not mean "Had expensive boats"?.. That will teach them..
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Old 19-02-2014, 19:55   #28
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Passage is "innocent "so long as it is not prejudicial to the peace , good order or security of the coastal state .
Perhaps, but it's not your call. It's the call of the country who's water you are in.

Like the USCG giving me (Canadian in Canadian boat) a radio warning not to head for Cuba as we were leaving Dry Tortugas. We headed south before easting to avoid some beam seas on our way back to Key West.

Curiously they called us on VHF by name and boat name. We saw no overhead surveillance.
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Re: Bahamas Serious About Proper Clearance

"items purchased from the US" is relevant in a country that does not charge income tax, but taxes imports. Big time. Among other things.

I didn't read the article, but maybe that is what they're talking about. Unless the merchandise was from Colorado
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Perhaps, but [innocent passage is] not your call. It's the call of the country who's water you are in.
Exactly. You're welcome to tell them "Hey! You can't arrest me. You can't impound my boat. You can't put me in jail. I'm exercising my right of innocent passage through your waters!"

And then they are welcome to laugh at you, handcuff you, take your boat, and toss you into jail if that's what their laws say they can do. It's their country, their laws, they get to make the rules. You do not.

Oh yeah, and the other thing... People seem quite fond of quoting the UNCLOS agreements as if these are guaranteed rights that they have anywhere in the world. WRONG! There are plenty of countries out there that have not signed the UNCLOS agreements. They do not recognize your right to anything other than to do what they tell you to do, when they tell you to do it, and how they tell you to do it, when you are in their country.
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