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Old 20-01-2016, 23:59   #1
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Australian Registered Ship

Hi, what exactly does a Registered ship mean, and what does it allow
you to do that an Unregistered ships not allowed to do?
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Old 21-01-2016, 00:22   #2
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Re: Australian Registered Ship

Here is a link that tells you all:
https://www.amsa.gov.au/vessels/shipping-registration/
It tells you the costs (many $$$), and how to apply.

The following applies only to pleasure boats in Australia, not to commercial vessels.
If you never leave the country then such registration is not needed and has little benefit. Except maybe it is a solid proof of ownership.

If you plan to sail to another country than such registration is mandatory.

Such national registration does not allow you to forego state registration.
Not long ago there was a looong thread on this issue started by 'Haiqu'.

My view is that if the boat you are buying is already on the register, by all means transfer the boat into your name as it is an once only cost of $444.
Australian registration may increase the re-sale value later on, and it allows you to go abroad.

If your boat is not registered, the cost of getting registered is a minimum of $1554. Possibly a waste if you do not plan to sail abroad. And very likely a waste if the boat is not capable to be taken overseas.
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Old 21-01-2016, 00:27   #3
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Re: Australian Registered Ship

This is the other thread by 'Haiqu' with lots of information, however that information is quite diluted, and there may be a lot of irrelevant stuff for you.
Registering a yacht in Australia
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Re: Australian Registered Ship

As said above, in a nutshell it allows you to take your vessel on a journey to another country and is mandatory for that.

From the AMSA site:

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What is the purpose of ship registration?
The purpose of Shipping Registration in Australia is to grant ships Australian nationality. It also allows for Australian ships to fly the Australian National Flag or the Australian Red Ensign in accordance with Australia's obligations under article 91 of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982, to which Australia is a party.

When a ship is registered in Australia it receives legally recognisable Australian nationality, giving it advantages at home and abroad. The ship will be accorded Australian protection on the high seas and in foreign ports.
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As said above, in a nutshell it allows you to take your vessel on a journey to another country and is mandatory for that….
As stated, this is the principle reason for Aussie Registration of recreational boats.

The other (lesser) reason is that it provides irrefutable prove of ownership and/or if other interested parties have any claims against the vessel.

The ownership as stated on the registration certificate can only be changed by Court Order (apart from the usual transfer of title when boat is sold etc).
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As stated, this is the principle reason for Aussie Registration of recreational boats.

The other (lesser) reason is that it provides irrefutable prove of ownership and/or if other interested parties have any claims against the vessel.

The ownership as stated on the registration certificate can only be changed by Court Order (apart from the usual transfer of title when boat is sold etc).
Yep, is very much like a real estate title deed. Downside is transferring title when all the t's aren't crossed or i's aren't dotted can be a prolonged paperwork nightmare. If you sell or buy an Aus registered vessel make damned sure that you do all the correct paperwork including using the AMSA approved Bill of Sale form.
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Hi, what exactly does a Registered ship mean, and what does it allow
you to do that an Unregistered ships not allowed to do?

It allows you to call your itty bitty little boat a ship.

It allows you to put yet ANOTHER damned piece of paper in your already overflowing navigation table.

It allows you to enter into mind bending arguments with state authorities on the use of the ON in place of a HIN.

It allows you to spend incredible amounts of time chasing missing bits of paper, to spend incredible numbers of $$$ on replacing those missing bits o paper, and to have AMSA reprint the missing bits of paper at great expense only to keep the aforementioned bits of paper for themselves anyway.

It allows your itty bitty little boat to appear on a list of boats that include things bigger than the QEII.

Oh yeah, and if you make a pretty damn serious navigational error and end up in another country it really helps.






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As stated, this is the principle reason for Aussie Registration of recreational boats.

The other (lesser) reason is that it provides irrefutable prove of ownership and/or if other interested parties have any claims against the vessel.

The ownership as stated on the registration certificate can only be changed by Court Order (apart from the usual transfer of title when boat is sold etc).
I think the ownership thing is misunderstood.
What it does do if registered in your name is prove that fact alone.
AMSA does not do any diligence on financial ownership of the vessel to my knowledge so could be still under finance etc.
My prior boat was on the register but as we did not intend to take her back OS I chose not to transfer into my name.After about 18 months we decided to sell and the new buyer knowing it was previously on the register wanted it in my name.
Long story short even though it was my boat and fully paid for it was still registered in the prior owners name.
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I think the ownership thing is misunderstood.
What it does do if registered in your name is prove that fact alone.
AMSA does not do any diligence on financial ownership of the vessel to my knowledge so could be still under finance etc.
My prior boat was on the register but as we did not intend to take her back OS I chose not to transfer into my name.After about 18 months we decided to sell and the new buyer knowing it was previously on the register wanted it in my name.
Long story short even though it was my boat and fully paid for it was still registered in the prior owners name.
You have to have official proof of ownership and transfer basically all the way back to the construction of the vessel. The reason the new owner wanted it in your name was because the chain of ownership was broken. I can assure you he would have went through a paperwork nightmare if he pursued the transfer of registration compared to what it otherwise would have been. Notice that last paragraph below. Legally, that actually has a lot of implications as opposed to, say, state rego which explicitly states something along the lines of that registration is not proof of ownership on the paperwork.

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https://www.amsa.gov.au/vessels/ship...ster/index.asp

Registration of title in the vessel

When you register your vessel the ownership cannot be overturned by the holder of an earlier interest unless you had notice of that interest when you purchased the vessel. The title of your vessel is recorded on the Register.

Australian nationality for the vessel

A vessel on the high seas is required under international law to have nationality.A registered vessel receives Australian protection on the high seas and in foreign ports.

Ability to sail overseas

It is an offence for an Australian-owned vessel to sail to a foreign port unless it is registered on the Australian General Shipping Register.Vessels purchased overseas by Australians must be registered before they sail for Australia or another foreign country.

Ease of re-sale

Registration will make re-sale easier and can add value to your vessel because the purchaser can be assured of ‘good title’.

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You have to have official proof of ownership and transfer basically all the way back to the construction of the vessel. The reason the new owner wanted it in your name was because the chain of ownership was broken. I can assure you he would have went through a paperwork nightmare if he pursued the transfer of registration compared to what it otherwise would have been. Notice that last paragraph below. Legally, that actually has a lot of implications as opposed to, say, state rego which explicitly states something along the lines of that registration is not proof of ownership on the paperwork.

This from...
https://www.amsa.gov.au/vessels/ship...ster/index.asp

Registration of title in the vessel

When you register your vessel the ownership cannot be overturned by the holder of an earlier interest unless you had notice of that interest when you purchased the vessel. The title of your vessel is recorded on the Register.

Australian nationality for the vessel

A vessel on the high seas is required under international law to have nationality.A registered vessel receives Australian protection on the high seas and in foreign ports.

Ability to sail overseas

It is an offence for an Australian-owned vessel to sail to a foreign port unless it is registered on the Australian General Shipping Register.Vessels purchased overseas by Australians must be registered before they sail for Australia or another foreign country.

Ease of re-sale

Registration will make re-sale easier and can add value to your vessel because the purchaser can be assured of ‘good title’.

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No argument with what you have said or pointed to and have been through the procedure twice.
But in my opinion still after you succeed in transferring into your name by way of their official bill of sale etc you still do not have guarantee there is no other financial interest in the boat as I still believe from what I was told by AMSA they do not check this and rely solely on the bill of sale.
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No argument with what you have said or pointed to and have been through the procedure twice.
But in my opinion still after you succeed in transferring into your name by way of their official bill of sale etc you still do not have guarantee there is no other financial interest in the boat as I still believe from what I was told by AMSA they do not check this and rely solely on the bill of sale.
I'd file that under due diligence, but you left yourself unnecessarily open by leaving a legal title of ownership in the po's name.

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Re: Australian Registered Ship

The way I understand it, it's similar to real estate. If you buy property and there is no registered mortgage on the title, any debt is not your concern. That's between the lender and the seller, and the lender can't make any claim on you.
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