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Old 21-08-2015, 21:25   #16
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Re: Aug. 2015 firearm check in experience- Isle de Providencia,Colombia

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I think it is great to get updates on changing local attitudes towards visiting yachts carrying small personal firearms.

The irony after 9/11 2001 was that the Federal Governments took that discretion away from the local police.
You mean, prior to 9/11, the enforcement of U.S. Customs and Immigration laws, applications for visas, cruising permits, and temporary permits for the importation of firearms, were all handled by the local authorities at whatever location a foreign yachtsman just happened to arrive ??? And, they had the freedom to pick and choose only those regulations they may or may not have felt like applying, or to disregard others?

Damn, who knew?

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Old 21-08-2015, 21:25   #17
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Re: Aug. 2015 firearm check in experience- Isle de Providencia,Colombia

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I think it is great to get updates on changing local attitudes towards visiting yachts carrying small personal firearms.

The irony after 9/11 2001 was that the Federal Governments took that discretion away from the local police.

The goal to disarm everyone in an attempt to fight the evil ones has not worked!

I hope that local authorities can now be allowed to make their own judgement calls on visiting yachts and prevailing conditions.

I also hope that those who are against carrying firearms as a last defence will allow those good cruisers the option to recreate that international reputation of being responsible in their choice to do so.

Not interested in debating this.
I am not an "advocate" either way, especially. I am not a great friend of state nannyism, and am indeed an advocate of freedom. I think the situation in Europe, particularly the UK, has gone far too far for example and am a great believer in personal responsibility. So… we agree essentially.

It is just that I personally feel that arms are not necessarily a contributor to the safety of a vessel. At least not firearms, as such.

No debate.

And as a fellow, much respect.
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Old 21-08-2015, 23:07   #18
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Re: Aug. 2015 firearm check in experience- Isle de Providencia,Colombia

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You mean, prior to 9/11, the enforcement of U.S. Customs and Immigration laws, applications for visas, cruising permits, and temporary permits for the importation of firearms, were all handled by the municipal authorities at whatever location a foreign yachtsman just happened to arrive ??? And, they had the freedom to pick and choose only those regulations they may or may not have felt like applying, or to disregard others?

Damn, who knew?

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Where did I mention customs or immigration or even the US for that matter?

Right after 9/11, everything relating to arms and security became very formal in ALL the world ports where previously the worst I would anticipate was inventory to be sealed in a proper gun safe inside bonded storage room

After 9/11 same officers explained that they were now directed to remove all arms until we were clearing out of country.

Forget about clay shooting or VIP security.... (Unless it was their own nationals)
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Old 22-08-2015, 05:57   #19
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Where did I mention customs or immigration or even the US for that matter?

Right after 9/11, everything relating to arms and security became very formal in ALL the world ports where previously the worst I would anticipate was inventory to be sealed in a proper gun safe inside bonded storage room

After 9/11 same officers explained that they were now directed to remove all arms until we were clearing out of country.

Forget about clay shooting or VIP security.... (Unless it was their own nationals)
Fair enough, but the point I was making was that at least here in the US prior to 9/11, I'm pretty sure that whether a foreign yachtsman would be permitted to clear into the country with firearms was a matter that was determined by federal Customs & Immigration officials, and not the local police at the point of entry into the country...
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Re: Aug. 2015 firearm check in experience- Isle de Providencia,Colombia

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The attitude that prevails in Honduras, and Columbia, may not necessarily be representative of what lies ahead in the course of their circumnavigation...
While Providencia is technically part of Colombia, it is a whole world away from mainland Colombia. Like someone else mentioned, it is probably the last place on earth where a gun could be useful for any reason.

I will be more interested to hear the experience of checking in firearms in mainland Colombia. Although an interesting point is once cleared in Providencia, one is cleared into Colombia proper and can freely go to the mainland without needing to bother with further formalities…

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Old 22-08-2015, 09:47   #21
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You did the right thing by making every effort to declare. I would have a relatively inexpensive shotgun on board so in a worst case situation if it gets confiscated after you declare you have lost little and still have your freedom. My desire to travel and explore does not include foreign jails.
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Re: Aug. 2015 firearm check in experience- Isle de Providencia,Colombia

Yeah Caribbean jails suck.... Lol


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I think maybe your attitude more than anything else is what's making it so easy, try acting like the typical "Ugly American" and see how it goes
And I would like to see your objective data of how many people act like"Ugly Americans" versus "Un-Ugly Americans." Not your subjective rants.
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Hi There,
I have been wondering what sort of firearm ticks all the boxes. Versatile, cheap , easy to use , simple to clean. Sounds like a cheap shotgun is the answer, you can always leave it at customs or throw it over the side.
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And I would like to see your objective data of how many people act like"Ugly Americans" versus "Un-Ugly Americans." Not your subjective rants.
It's not the "ugly americans" it's the ugly french. Most americans seem a bit obsequious by comparison.
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Try it in Canada and see how it goes. Or New Jersey.
How about London or Queensland?
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Re: Aug. 2015 firearm check in experience- Isle de Providencia,Colombia

Well, if your an American and you tackle the guy on the train with the assault rifle and a hand gun I hear the French give you the Legion of Honor, France’s highest award.
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Well, if your an American and you tackle the guy on the train with the assault rifle and a hand gun I hear the French give you the Legion of Honor, France’s highest award.
They are a strange bunch. As sailors they seem to be more, something. The men also wear those silly bathing trunks. Can't imagine an American doing that.
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Re: Aug. 2015 firearm check in experience- Isle de Providencia,Colombia

I wonder whom among the three were the "Ugly Americans" The two White guys or the Black guy? Thank goodness the train was filled with sensible European and French people who knew better than to get involved with a gun toting terrorist and act out in the typical American cowboy mentality.

OK, It's the fault of another CF member that has, this fine evening, plied me with a few extra shots of Teekillya that has brought out the "Ugly American" in me that once in every other Blue moon is provoked. I'm kinda sorry, I think, I'll get back to you in the morning and let you know.
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Tellie, after those insensitive, politically incorrect remarks, when we are ready to buy our watermaker, I am definitely calling you.


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