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03-01-2010, 14:49
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I was away doing some household things. But I had this idea about insurance. You folks may have nailed it: the insurance companies will be the ultimate enforcers, as they tend to be in many other situations.
Great discussion.
Thanks
Jack
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03-01-2010, 15:30
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Originally Posted by boatpoker
I have no need of an inverted cone (power boat) But I always use my day anchor ball. I was in Antigua about 15yrs ago when a cruise ship lost its steering and destroyed several sailboats in St.Johns harbour in a "designated anchorage" . The only boat compensated was the one flying a day anchor ball. Even in a designated anchorage you are required to signal that you are at anchor if you are near a traffic lane.
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That is exactly why I carry the shapes and use them!
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03-01-2010, 16:05
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I have one ball and one cone and use both. I fly them from the port flag halyard. I have no way of mounting the cone so that it is visible from 360 degrees while the sails are up and of course it is only flown when the sails are up. Since I only have one ball I guess I had better not run aground during the daylight, but come to think of it I don't have the ability to hoist the proper lights at night in that situation as well. I guess I had better not run aground.
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03-01-2010, 16:45
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The liability issues are absolutely correct... and I might add that a log entry when you hoist / strike the shapes will also be invaluable should you end up in court.
Much argument from the admiral about this... as she crewed on mega-yachts in the Carribe and never saw any of these day shapes..... so of course I must be daffy....
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04-01-2010, 05:41
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The insurers may be the ultimate persuaders, but IMHO it is only sensible to be properly lit at night, and to be clear about your colregs perogatives in any area with shipping. I'd rather keep my boat and crew safe and happy rather than be swimming around while I call the insurance company.
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04-01-2010, 08:03
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Roaring Girl
I am in full agreement with you. The safety and comfort of the crew far exceeds the the insurance issues, especially if you want them to sail with you again.
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06-01-2010, 12:14
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So, I was down at the Boatyard today..and purchased a ball and ordered the cone.
Both are made by platismo $ 14 apiece.....the least expensive item I've ever purchased for a boat...lol
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06-01-2010, 13:20
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My radar reflector
sooo....... What do I do about my radar reflector.
It seems to me I could cause som confusion. Its not black but dark grey. Its on my back stay. I guess I could paint it black and call it a radar reflector underway and a dayshape when I anchor...
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06-01-2010, 13:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Solitude
sooo....... What do I do about my radar reflector.
It seems to me I could cause som confusion. Its not black but dark grey. Its on my back stay. I guess I could paint it black and call it a radar reflector underway and a dayshape when I anchor...
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The anchor ball needs to be foreward.
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Anchored Vessels and Vessels Aground — International
(a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be seen:
(i) in the fore part, an all-round white light or one ball,
(ii) at or near the stern and at a lower level than the light prescribed
in subparagraph (i), an all-round white light.
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Not all radar reflectors are round octahedrals.
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06-01-2010, 13:57
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Anchored Vessels and Vessels Aground — International
(a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be seen:
(i) in the fore part, an all-round white light or one ball,
(ii) at or near the stern and at a lower level than the light prescribed
in subparagraph (i), an all-round white light.
So does that say in
(ii) the ball near the stern lower than my anchor light or another light at the stern.
I guess I couldn't display it using my burgee halyard either as its not in the fore part.
What does CYA say Jack? I still say it could cause confusion. Many people have a round radar reflector near the mast.
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06-01-2010, 15:08
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Solitude,
The second white light in a (ii) applies to vessels over 50 meters.
So, vessels under 50 meters display one white all around light in the forepart.
Over 50 meters add an all around white light at the stern that is lower.
A vessel may..... and a vessel over 100 meters Shall...also illuminate her decks.
The Ball (dayshape) is to be displayed in the forepart.
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06-01-2010, 16:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Solitude
Anchored Vessels and Vessels Aground — International
(a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be seen:
(i) in the fore part, an all-round white light or one ball,
(ii) at or near the stern and at a lower level than the light prescribed
in subparagraph (i), an all-round white light.
So does that say in
(ii) the ball near the stern lower than my anchor light or another light at the stern.
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(ii) refers to a light. Sometimes you will see an anchor light hanging from the boom.
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I guess I couldn't display it using my burgee halyard either as its not in the fore part.
What does CYA say Jack? I still say it could cause confusion. Many people have a round radar reflector near the mast.
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CYA simply says we should teach the ColRegs.
John Pollard at SN posted this shot of a properly positioned anchor ball.
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06-01-2010, 16:26
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In many places in Germany the water police are in ambush for motorsailing boats and collect immediate bounty - notably in areas where obstructions stop the prevailing winds and 90% of sailboats turn on their engines to motor through that passage or under/around the bridge and get caught.
I use the ball and inverted cone in the Caribbean and have been asked by other boaters (charterers) what that ball means. The inverted cone for motorsailing is probably only understood by those who radar and or AIS and who realize that I can't be doing 8 knots groundspeed in 3 knots of wind
When I bought my last boat out of charter from SunSail in the BVI I was impressed to have both a ball and inverted cone aboard - but they were both still in their original plastic wrapping and had never been used in 3 years of chartering.
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07-01-2010, 02:33
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A few years ago, at a well know Yacht club in Darwin Australia, we had this crusty old sailor that had been sailing and fishing for so long he taught Noah the ropes...
Anyway, one day his trusty old 30' bondwood sailboat finaly fell apart and he was forced to buy another, he picked up a tidy 30' GRP Roberts with all the "Gizmos" as he liked to put it...
While sitting at the club having a few coldies, he was giving us the full rundown of his new ride after taking her out for a weeks shakedown, the only problem he said he had was using "the stupid arsed crab pots" which went straight in the bin on his return...
After a few probing questions about the "crab pots", we worked out he'd tossed out his fold flat (string & wire) day shapes...
Did we tell him ?? no way!!
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07-01-2010, 05:31
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