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20-03-2016, 23:17
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Re: AIS now compulsory for foreign yachts in Thailand
[QUOTE=Jim Cate;2077498]
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The USCG monitoring them is not whats beneficial. I dont care what they monitor. The big benefit with AIS is that we, recreational boats can see everyone else and they us, who has it. That's where the real benefit of having AIS is./QUOTE]
In SF Bay, and other crowded areas where yachts and shipping must co-exist, AIS is of limited value much of the time. But, in such areas a careful visual watch is of great value.
Once out the Gate and at sea, the value increases, and when everyone has it, th value is huge. I'm with MarkJ on this o ne.
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So am i
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21-03-2016, 01:04
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#122
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Re: AIS now compulsory for foreign yachts in Thailand
[QUOTE=Rustic Charm;2077499]
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Originally Posted by Jim Cate
So am i
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Ditto
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21-03-2016, 01:45
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#123
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Re: AIS now compulsory for foreign yachts in Thailand
I look at it this way, If I am in a country that requires me to comply with their rules I comply. If they say **** in a hole in the floor because that is how we do it here, I will. when they say AIS Transmitters are compulsory then that's what I and most other law abiding cruisers get. To buck the system just because that's the way you role, only F@#ks it up for everyone else.........You know who you are....
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21-03-2016, 02:00
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#124
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Re: AIS now compulsory for foreign yachts in Thailand
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Originally Posted by SimonV
I look at it this way, If I am in a country that requires me to comply with their rules I comply. If they say **** in a hole in the floor because that is how we do it here, I will. when they say AIS Transmitters are compulsory then that's what I and most other law abiding cruisers get. To buck the system just because that's the way you role, only F@#ks it up for everyone else.........You know who you are....
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Point being it's not "their" rules. Thai small vessels aren't required to comply with anything so it's basicly a BS for foreigners only. And as stated earlier it's not in compliance with the international treaties.
BR Teddy
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21-03-2016, 02:09
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#125
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Re: AIS now compulsory for foreign yachts in Thailand
I wonder, who issues MMSI to foreign vessels after fitting them with AIS in Thailand or Indonesia?
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21-03-2016, 02:11
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#126
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Re: AIS now compulsory for foreign yachts in Thailand
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Originally Posted by TeddyDiver
Point being it's not "their" rules. Thai small vessels aren't required to comply with anything so it's basicly a BS for foreigners only. And as stated earlier it's not in compliance with the international treaties.
BR Teddy
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What international treaties would get involved with any 'any' domestic laws?
I missed this esrlier, what post are you referring too?
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21-03-2016, 02:15
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Re: AIS now compulsory for foreign yachts in Thailand
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Originally Posted by Sea Frog
I wonder, who issues MMSI to foreign vessels after fitting them with AIS in Thailand or Indonesia?
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I just emailed Australia's AMSA and had the proper number withing 24 hours.
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21-03-2016, 03:29
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Re: AIS now compulsory for foreign yachts in Thailand
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Originally Posted by SimonV
I just emailed Australia's AMSA and had the proper number withing 24 hours.
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We're still trying to get PNG NICTA to issue MMSIs to PNG pleasure craft (been working on it for at least 12 months).
Once they get their act together, we are planning on a bulk purchase for boats at the RPYC. Until then, we're literally in the dark.
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22-03-2016, 12:42
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#129
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Re: AIS now compulsory for foreign yachts in Thailand
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Originally Posted by Rustic Charm
What international treaties would get involved with any 'any' domestic laws?
I missed this esrlier, what post are you referring too?
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Most of them. Thai authorities are free to set any rules they like for domestic vessels. After that it's a matter of debate if they can demand foreign vessels to follow some of them too. What they can't do is to set rules just for the foreign vessels which are more demanding than the rules of domestic vessels.
Not any specific post, just the title of the thread.
BR Teddy
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22-03-2016, 15:48
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#130
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Re: AIS now compulsory for foreign yachts in Thailand
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Originally Posted by TeddyDiver
Most of them. Thai authorities are free to set any rules they like for domestic vessels. After that it's a matter of debate if they can demand foreign vessels to follow some of them too. What they can't do is to set rules just for the foreign vessels which are more demanding than the rules of domestic vessels.
Not any specific post, just the title of the thread.
BR Teddy
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From one Teddy to another what makes you think a nation can't make laws specifically for foreign visitors?
I'm aware of very few areas, and none in relation to marine activities where ANY international treaty or even convention can dictate domestic laws Do you have any examples
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22-03-2016, 15:54
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Re: AIS now compulsory for foreign yachts in Thailand
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Originally Posted by TeddyDiver
Most of them. Thai authorities are free to set any rules they like for domestic vessels. After that it's a matter of debate if they can demand foreign vessels to follow some of them too. What they can't do is to set rules just for the foreign vessels which are more demanding than the rules of domestic vessels.
Not any specific post, just the title of the thread.
BR Teddy
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Ahh...but they can and did! Regardless of technicalities. Their country their rules, if we don't like their view of the world we shouldn't go. It's just no big deal.
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22-03-2016, 16:29
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Re: AIS now compulsory for foreign yachts in Thailand
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Originally Posted by StuM
We're still trying to get PNG NICTA to issue MMSIs to PNG pleasure craft (been working on it for at least 12 months).
Once they get their act together, we are planning on a bulk purchase for boats at the RPYC. Until then, we're literally in the dark.
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Having lived in PNG and had my boat at RPYC I am staggered beyond belief why you would want AIS in PNG waters, crazy stuff , and you are just painting a huge target for trouble of which you would be well aware of. Most boats at the RPYC never go outside the marina.....
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22-03-2016, 19:53
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Re: AIS now compulsory for foreign yachts in Thailand
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Originally Posted by Andrew Grace
Having lived in PNG and had my boat at RPYC I am staggered beyond belief why you would want AIS in PNG waters, crazy stuff , and you are just painting a huge target for trouble of which you would be well aware of. Most boats at the RPYC never go outside the marina.....
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1. We're sailing down to Cairns again in a couple of days - taking the inside route past Lizard. I'd really like to have AIS on board, especially once I get into the shipping channels inside the GBR.
2. Lots of use for AIS for those that do go out of the marina, especially for those sailing the Long Offshore races and for the Fishoes. To say nothing of SAR.
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23-03-2016, 04:24
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#134
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Re: AIS now compulsory for foreign yachts in Thailand
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Originally Posted by TeddyDiver
Most of them. Thai authorities are free to set any rules they like for domestic vessels. After that it's a matter of debate if they can demand foreign vessels to follow some of them too. What they can't do is to set rules just for the foreign vessels which are more demanding than the rules of domestic vessels.
Not any specific post, just the title of the thread.
BR Teddy
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I don't profess to know about every nation, but that is certainly not true for Australia. We make plenty of laws that you and your vessel will have to conform to whilst in Australian waters. Plenty, and we couldn't give a crap where you from or where your vessel is registered..
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23-03-2016, 06:05
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Re: AIS now compulsory for foreign yachts in Thailand
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Originally Posted by Factor
I don't profess to know about every nation, but that is certainly not true for Australia. We make plenty of laws that you and your vessel will have to conform to whilst in Australian waters. Plenty, and we couldn't give a crap where you from or where your vessel is registered..
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Agreed. The same goes for NZ. In fact they were one of the first countries that wouldnt allow foreign vessels to exit without NZ minimum safety gear.
It caused a lot of commotion for a couple of years to say the least. But it basically means no safety compliance = no exit.
Side note, it was the direct result of the 1994 storm that took out multiple boats in the June long weekend "bomb" that hit a small fleet of boats sailing from NZ to Numea. Good article on it here The 1994 Queen's birthday storm | Pangolin
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