Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 26-11-2012, 20:39   #16
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: SC (temporary)
Posts: 28
Wood for interior?

Hi there.

I'm in the process restoring a 1966 Bristol 24. Really fantastic boat. The idea is to get her back to her original look, as the previous owner had made some modifications. The original Teak and Mahogany are salvageable but all the laminates and varnishes need to be replaced. Hoping to use real wood. Also thinking about doing the hull sides throughout. We've looked at a number of different woods but are having difficulty deciding. Cherry seems too stiff, Mahogany too expensive, and I'm not certain how Cedar would turn out. Any thoughts or stories? If you are willing to share some images I'd be grateful!
__________________

__________________
dogeconomics is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-11-2012, 21:00   #17
Senior Cruiser
 
atoll's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: gettin naughty on the beach in cornwall
Boat: 63 custom alloy sloop,macwester26,prout snowgoose 37 elite catamaran!
Posts: 9,311
Images: 75
Re: Wood for interior?

getting a good interiour is really not that difficult,using reasonable quality malaysian ply wood with good coatings will provide low cost surfaces.

for trim if you have a resonably robust router oak,iroko or mohogany can be used to good effect.

see my refit of my mackwester 26 here.

MacWester 26 and the 'hina-ous' Crew
__________________

__________________
my catamaran building project updates http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...36#post2502136
atoll is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 26-11-2012, 21:42   #18
Registered User
 
ozskipper's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: NSW Australia
Boat: Traditional 30
Posts: 1,981
Re: Wood for interior?

Its dependant on local materials and wood types of course. But take notice of changes in more modern boats. Newer boats are using lighter coloured timbers, which of course makes the boat appear more airy.
__________________
Cheers
Oz
...............
ozskipper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-11-2012, 22:16   #19
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,243
Re: Wood for interior?

Quote:
Originally Posted by cmkelly View Post
Hi there.

I'm in the process restoring a 1966 Bristol 24. Really fantastic boat. The idea is to get her back to her original look, as the previous owner had made some modifications. The original Teak and Mahogany are salvageable but all the laminates and varnishes need to be replaced. Hoping to use real wood. Also thinking about doing the hull sides throughout. We've looked at a number of different woods but are having difficulty deciding. Cherry seems too stiff, Mahogany too expensive, and I'm not certain how Cedar would turn out. Any thoughts or stories? If you are willing to share some images I'd be grateful!
On my 31.1 Bristol used Bruynzeel teak plywood for the bulkheads and other laminated parts, they are still in business so might be a good choice (but expensive I suspect)

I take it your interior is mahogany and the exterior parts are teak?
__________________
MarkSF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-11-2012, 22:21   #20
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,243
Re: Wood for interior?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ozskipper View Post
Its dependant on local materials and wood types of course. But take notice of changes in more modern boats. Newer boats are using lighter coloured timbers, which of course makes the boat appear more airy.
Although I love teak, I do like cherry and the lighter woods.
__________________
MarkSF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-11-2012, 05:58   #21
Moderator Emeritus
 
GordMay's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
Posts: 31,579
Images: 240
Re: Wood for interior?

Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, cmkelly.
__________________
Gord May
"If you didn't have the time or money to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"



GordMay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-11-2012, 16:29   #22
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: SC (temporary)
Posts: 28
Re: Wood for interior?

Quote:
Originally Posted by GordMay View Post
Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, cmkelly.
Thanks! This is my first boat. Very excited.
__________________
dogeconomics is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-11-2012, 16:31   #23
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: SC (temporary)
Posts: 28
Re: Wood for interior?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkSF View Post
On my 31.1 Bristol used Bruynzeel teak plywood for the bulkheads and other laminated parts, they are still in business so might be a good choice (but expensive I suspect)

I take it your interior is mahogany and the exterior parts are teak?
Yep. I was hoping to do strips instead of the plywood and laminate.
__________________
dogeconomics is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-11-2012, 16:55   #24
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,243
Re: Wood for interior?

I thought that plywood was used for the bulkheads partly because of it's strength and stiffness.
__________________
MarkSF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-11-2012, 17:08   #25
Registered User
 
CarinaPDX's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Portland, Oregon, USA
Boat: 31' Cape George Cutter
Posts: 1,674
Re: Wood for interior?

This is not a one size fits all problem. You will be looking at different woods for different applications. If you want to go back to the original look you will probably be using teak or mahogany, but I would recommend against that. Not only are lighter woods more common in newer yachts, they are used for a reason: they make for a brighter, cheerier interior. So does using white paint and white laminate. So think a bit about the look you want.

As for plywood, I find teak-veneered plywood (or most plywood with a hardwood veneer) a pain and also too darkening to the interior. Oiling or varnishing will not only darken over time, but the number of times the finish can be sanded is very few. As far as plywood I would recommend either painting it or covering it with a plain laminate. This not only brightens the interior, it sets off the solid woods used elsewhere. Personally I don't think using the hideously expensive Bruynzeel plywood in the interior is justified, but if you want to toss away a pot of money be my guest. A quality waterproof plywood will do nicely, but check the surface if you are painting. OTOH for uses where the plywood might get exposed to water, such as a deck or house then by all means stretch to get the Bruynzeel.

For ceilings (the horizontal strips on the inside of the hull) I would recommend cedar, preferably Port Orford cedar but if not then yellow cedar. Attach 1/2" vertical furring strips to the hull first, then screw the ceilings into them. The space provided behind the ceilings will allow condensation to run off the hull, and will make it a LOT easier to fit the ceilings smoothly.

For solid woods you can use practically any hardwood. You don't need teak - its properties aren't particularly useful inside, it doesn't hold varnish well, and it darkens the interior. Mahogany does hold varnish well, but also darkens the interior. Don't be reluctant to mix woods; teak or mahogany trim really stands out against a maple counter top for instance.

Greg
__________________
CarinaPDX is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 27-11-2012, 18:04   #26
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: SC (temporary)
Posts: 28
Re: Wood for interior?

Quote:
Originally Posted by CarinaPDX View Post
As far as plywood I would recommend either painting it or covering it with a plain laminate. This not only brightens the interior, it sets off the solid woods used elsewhere.
I must replace the plywood on the headliner. Water damage and whatnot. We've talked about doing the wood strips instead. Definitely don't want it too dark in there, but if I'm going to have white paint I want to offset them with a richer colored wood. Cedar seems to be a good bet, from what I've read. No pots of money to throw away here.
__________________
dogeconomics is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-11-2012, 18:21   #27
Registered User
 
CarinaPDX's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Portland, Oregon, USA
Boat: 31' Cape George Cutter
Posts: 1,674
Re: Wood for interior?

Do you mean thin plywood with vinyl or laminate on it that is mounted below the overhead? If that is the case then I would probably not put strips under the deck - whatever you do, you will want to have easy access to the underside of the overhead for fasteners and possible leaks. In that case a plain laminate can do a nice job.

Greg
__________________
CarinaPDX is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 27-11-2012, 20:10   #28
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: SC (temporary)
Posts: 28
Re: Wood for interior?

Quote:
Originally Posted by CarinaPDX View Post
Do you mean thin plywood with vinyl or laminate on it that is mounted below the overhead? If that is the case then I would probably not put strips under the deck - whatever you do, you will want to have easy access to the underside of the overhead for fasteners and possible leaks. In that case a plain laminate can do a nice job.

Greg
Is a single board not easier to remove than laminate in the case of leakage? I definitely see your point about fasteners though. Hm.
__________________
dogeconomics is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-11-2012, 20:15   #29
Registered User
 
CarinaPDX's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Portland, Oregon, USA
Boat: 31' Cape George Cutter
Posts: 1,674
Re: Wood for interior?

One way to do it is to put some furring strips on the overhead, then screw the laminate directly to the strips. Of course some pads would have to be located for lamps, etc, such that the mounting screws pass through the laminate into the wood. The plain laminate is strong enough on its own: no need to glue to a backing plywood.

Greg
__________________
CarinaPDX is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 29-11-2012, 14:42   #30
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Alameda, CA
Boat: C&C Newport 41
Posts: 586
Re: Wood for interior?

based on the tone of your original post, i inferred that the goal is to restore her to her original condition (ascetically).

assuming that is correct, the comments about brightening up the cabin as less applicable.

Can you let us know what you have in mind as a budget?

I just took possession of genuine mahogany for $7 per linear foot (which is REALLY cheap).

are you planning on bulkheads, hulls, headliners?

with a bit more info you will get some creative solutions.

also, what is your aptitude for word working?
__________________

__________________
ssanzone is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
flooring, interior

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Steel or Wood Construction - Why ? martinjrichter Construction, Maintenance & Refit 42 13-06-2013 07:35
Are You Scared of Wood ? CharlieCobra General Sailing Forum 116 18-03-2013 17:45



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:22.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.