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Old 16-12-2006, 17:50   #1
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Whitlock Control Pod Problem

I have a problem with the gearbox Morse control on my (I assume) Whitlock steering.
The problem is that the gearbox is quite stiff to bring into forward and the on-steering Morse control is also stiff. The control handle is broken towards the top and does not give enough leverage.
I have checked the cables and the gearbox control with cables disconnected and they seem to be sufficiently functional.
My friendly local mechanic "solved" the problem by putting a piece of pipe on top of the handle, but this does not give enough feel and the pipe moves into the wheel spokes as the throttle is opened.
I would like to disassemble the whole unit but I can find no way of removing the control handle.
The local Lewmar agent sent me a diagram that shows a nut that holds the handle onto a spline but mine must be an old unit and there is no nut, just solid plastic.
I cannot see how the handle would be removed.
Can anyone suggest how to remove it?
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Old 16-12-2006, 18:56   #2
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Sometimes there is a pry-off cap over the pivot point of the lever. If not, then the nut may be on the inside. Some handles have a set screw going thru the side of the handles. With splined shafts some times there is a clip around in the hollow side of handles that needs to be pryed upwards.

As for the stiffness, a tranny shouldn't be that hard to shift. If so, there may be a problem that needs to be fixed. What make is the tranny????

Also do you have any tight radius in the cable, or kinks for that matter???? If you pull the cable it should slide freely by hand. It could have dirt or rust inside............................._/)
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Old 18-12-2006, 01:00   #3
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Photo of problem

I have attached a photo of the control pod and lever.
There is a rubber cap but no nut on the inside.
There is no set screw and I cannot see any clip.
The tranny is a Kanzaki 2: 1 (Normally found on a Yanmar). I'm assuming that it is too small for the engine (85hp). When I checked it had no fluid. (It has now).
Cables slide freely by hand.
Problem is that the engine is old and hard to start. Fixing the donk and tranny would cost about the same as a new engine. What I want to do is to sort out all problems external to the engine so that a new engine can go straight in.
I can buy new internals for the controls but I am not sure if that includes the housing.
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See if you can get the outer case off of the shifter. There should be something inside to release the handle. I wouldn't think the handle would be built into the whole mechanism.

It looks like an Edson steering system.

http://www.edsonmarine.com/traditional/index.html

If the tranny has been out of oil, it may have allowed the slider to gall up making it hard to shift.

If your going to replace the works soon you may just have to live with it until you do. Marine tranny's are not EZ to teardown and put back together.
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My Dragonfly 1000 has the same control. Mine has 2 allen set screws at the 5 and 7 o'clock positions. I don't know if they are AM or PM.
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Re: Whitlock control pod problem.

Hello, I am looking for the exploded view of the Whitlock Cobra engine control pod.
Anyone ?
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Re: Whitlock control pod problem.

Whitlock Cobra ➥ https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...fwfzUaUaIWV9yA
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Re: Whitlock control pod problem.

Thanks for the wheel mechanism view, but that's not the one I am looking for.
I need the view of the engine control, which is on the starboard of the Whitlock wheel: the mecanism of the engine handle, for Forward/Backward control.
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Re: Whitlock control pod problem.

Whitlock documentations, and many refurbishing pictures on:

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