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Old 17-08-2010, 11:04   #16
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Beer - depends. In other situations not boat related, I've had workers sneer at it (usually the more trained) while the rest are happy larks. Still think its condescending e.g. "You guys can be satisfied with just a banal no thinking cliche of leaving beer for the working class".
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Old 17-08-2010, 15:57   #17
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Having worked in a yard.

The guy who is scraping your barnacles off, who is deluged with the slime as he pressure washes your bottom, who replaces your zinc, and points out out underwater problems and the person you TRUST to haul your boat deserves a tip.

The baldheaded mofo that owns the yard does not.

Yard guys have memories.......when you come back, they will take care of you.,,,,reminding of zincs, point out problems....

Plus...tipping makes one feel good......you wind up being the nice guy
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Old 17-08-2010, 16:01   #18
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Beer - depends. In other situations not boat related, I've had workers sneer at it (usually the more trained) while the rest are happy larks. Still think its condescending e.g. "You guys can be satisfied with just a banal no thinking cliche of leaving beer for the working class".

I thought it was the Brits who had class hangups.
This doesnt say much for us but there aint many Brits who would turn down or see a drink as an insult. Maybe thats why we are the binge drink champions of Europe
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Old 17-08-2010, 16:01   #19
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Ok, id be back into the Chief Engineer camp...tips but NO beer!
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Old 17-08-2010, 16:05   #20
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I thought it was the Brits who had class hangups.
This doesnt say much for us but there aint many Brits who would turn down or see a drink as an insult. Maybe thats why we are the binge drink champions of Europe
I've had more than enough friends dies of alcohol and substance abuse issues, not to mention family. It's not a happy memory to watch, so I'm not gonna be no local pusher in the yacht yard. Lets see if everyone tips in alcohol 5-6 days a week...hmmm...
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Old 17-08-2010, 16:24   #21
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It's a method of saying to someone "you are the peasant in this relationship".

Common in cultures that rely on slave wages to underpin their economy. (no names ).

Elsewhere it is mostly called giving charity and therefore is embarrassing / an insult to offer to someone for simply doing their paid employment.

Bringing beer or donuts on the other hand is just known as being very nice - even when done with a (transparently) ulterior motive.
Tipping can be a nice way to say thank you for the good work they did, even if doing the job is what they're paid to do. In my trade I rarely get a tip, but I don't expect one either because of the amount I'm charging. If I had a low paying job, then I would love the tip...and remember that nice person that gave it to me.
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Having worked in a yard.

The guy who is scraping your barnacles off, who is deluged with the slime as he pressure washes your bottom, who replaces your zinc, and points out out underwater problems and the person you TRUST to haul your boat deserves a tip.

The baldheaded mofo that owns the yard does not.

Yard guys have memories.......when you come back, they will take care of you.,,,,reminding of zincs, point out problems....

Plus...tipping makes one feel good......you wind up being the nice guy
Agreed

I dont mind buying a few beers for the workers either, as long as they have done a stellar job, on time and on budget and I get to have a few as well.

Saying that, I have never had a tip in my job, but I did get wages.

I don't like the tipping mentality generally though as it tends to become expected by many.
Stories I have read of certain cruisers with a tipping mentality paying "fees" to drop anchor in remote locations annoy me as well as this becomes expected for the next yacht that comes through.
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Beer - depends. In other situations not boat related, I've had workers sneer at it (usually the more trained) while the rest are happy larks. Still think its condescending e.g. "You guys can be satisfied with just a banal no thinking cliche of leaving beer for the working class".
Seems like the sneering workers would prefer the sharp stick in the eye

Personally, I would prefer the beers.
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Old 17-08-2010, 16:49   #24
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Think I'd rather have a BBQ and feed them. Then they'd really remember.
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Old 17-08-2010, 17:18   #25
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I think our society has gone way overboard with tipping.

It makes perfect sense in a restaurant because they are paid so little (less then minimum wage, right?)

Everywhere else, I think people are being paid to do a job. If they go above and beyond their job, then perhaps a tip is in order, but I think if they simply do the job they are paid to do, then a tip is certainly not required.

It seems every where you go these days, there are tip jars and it drives me nuts!
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Beer - depends. In other situations not boat related, I've had workers sneer at it (usually the more trained) while the rest are happy larks. Still think its condescending e.g. "You guys can be satisfied with just a banal no thinking cliche of leaving beer for the working class".
Maybe it was the kind of beer you gave them?

On the other hand, I think it has a lot to do with the sentiment behind it. Even free Guinness, in a sleazy corporate environment, with lots of finger pointing and BS office politics, late nights, no raises or bonuses, while management seems to continually get promoted and pocket all the money for themselves does come off as really condescending.

Not that I've ever been in that kind of situation.
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Maybe it was the kind of beer you gave them?
St Pauli and adams ain't too shabby

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On the other hand, I think it has a lot to do with the sentiment behind it. Even free Guinness, in a sleazy corporate environment, with lots of finger pointing and BS office politics, late nights, no raises or bonuses, while management seems to continually get promoted and pocket all the money for themselves does come off as really condescending.
Or FREE sodas and snacks for us silly-con engineer types...yeah, I get it.
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Beer and pizza on a Friday afternoon, or just pizza for lunch, will always be welcomed. If you're smart you'd do it the first day there.
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Old 17-08-2010, 18:41   #29
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I was thinking more like brisket and cornbread, with a slab of corn
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Pizza?
Why not a roll of some nice French Brie, a few Baguettes, a bottle of Chateauneuf-de-Pape with some cucumber sandwiches with the crusts cut off? Some crystal wine glasses and a table cloth would be nice as well!
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