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Old 22-04-2011, 11:13   #16
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Re: tiller AND wheel steering

many of the greek fishing cacique double enders with transom hung rudders have a steering tiller,and a hydralic ram for the pilot house wheel steering.

the ram is run parrellel to the rudder post to a 30cm strut,of reinforced box section.
then through the transom, mounted on the aft deck,with a stroke of about 40-50 cm on boats in the 50- 60 ft range
bypass valve allows tiller only steering.
hyanautic,and vetus supply reasonably priced hydralic systems.
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Old 22-04-2011, 14:00   #17
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Re: tiller AND wheel steering

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Got it...open the valve to use the tiller.

I need to look at hydraulic systems it would appear.
Any suggestions re: good, better, best?

Would the rams go inboard? It would make for a long stroke.
Do they make external rams? I would imagine they do.
Google here I come.
The rams are usually mounted under the deck to a short tiller arm (7.0in.) that is connected to the rudder stock. The stroke is not that long (10.5 in.). There are a lot of good Hydraulic systems, Teleflex, Wagner,etc. Most provide good installation instructions. These are not difficult to install. Easier than aligning cable systems. I have done both.
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Old 22-04-2011, 14:23   #18
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Re: Tiller AND Wheel Steering

Have you considered an autopilot with one of the small “electronic wheels”. It may not be what you are looking for, but they steer the boat quite happily, like power steering. It would be much easier and probably cheaper to install. in the wheelhouse.
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Old 22-04-2011, 14:33   #19
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Re: Tiller AND Wheel Steering

I have an Edison wheel system and can use a tiller too if I want/need to, if all is working right the wheel will still spin, but if I take the wheel off it has less drag and is out of the way, but can't see much need for it for my set up, I hope I never need to use the tiller, that would mean something broke.
For finding rope steering, look at a small old runabout alot of them had rope steering
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Old 22-04-2011, 20:38   #20
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Greetings,

Idora is an Ingrid and has been fitted with hydrolic steering in the pilot house and good ol tiller in the cockpit. It is easy to use and reduces workload in choppy conditions. When you want to use the tiller, just open the bypass valve and off you go. Mine has been virtually maintainence free.

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Re: Tiller AND Wheel Steering

Yes, after researching I see that hydraulic is the way to go.

Todd, I'd love to see some pics.

I've been trying to join the yahoo owners site for 3 weeks now. No response! Surely my reputation has not preceded me there yet.

Lancerbye, I see what you mean, I should cut off the two perpendicular posts and instead weld a short tiller arm onto the cheek plate in a more forward location.

Todd if I could reverse engineer yours it sure would save some time and effort.

Thanks for the help everyone.
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Greetings,

Idora is an Ingrid and has been fitted with hydrolic steering in the pilot house and good ol tiller in the cockpit. It is easy to use and reduces workload in choppy conditions. When you want to use the tiller, just open the bypass valve and off you go. Mine has been virtually maintainence free.

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Here are the best pix I have with me. There are two, one starboard and one port. No leaks so far, easy to use. Love it.

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I will be home in two days. I will get you some detail about the attach points and post it up.

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I will be home in two days. I will get you some detail about the attach points and post it up.

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Hey Todd,

I'm moving the boat to Bainbridge and moving aboard her this Sunday. I'd like to check out your system in as much detail as you're willing to share and thank you for speaking up. Dampening the big stick won't be a bad thing, and the pilothouse rocks.

PM me when you have any pics or specifics you wanna share.

Anyone wanna buy a complete Edson chain and cable system?
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Re: Tiller AND Wheel Steering

Er...simple solution on an Ingrid.
Leave the tiller permanently installed and connect the auto/pilot (linear drive) during inclement weather.
When the weather is fine, go back to cockpit/tiller steering!!!

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