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Old 09-10-2011, 13:11   #1
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Three-Strand Line

With traditional styled boats I like the look of the 3 strand line. I have it in mind that I am going to redo all my running rigging this way, all one color, no colored indiactor stripes, etc. I am familiar with some of the concerns like stretch, slippage on winches. etc. however it just looks right on my vessel. Also there are some benefits that are appealing, lower costs and much easier to splice.

I would love to hear from CF members who use 3 strand line for running rigging and how they have found this type of line for use, any noticable disadvantages, etc. Also if you know what brand you prefer, Yale, Samson, New England Ropes.
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Re: Three Strand Line

Do you want to sail? Or create appearances? Make a style statement?

Three-strand stiffens with use, twists, stretches. It is not really suitable for running rigging which is -- not surprisingly -- why one never sees it used for running rigging. I don't even use it for anchor rode. If you want the "traditional look", get some hemp-colored double-braided line.
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Re: Three Strand Line

some ofmy lines are 3 strand-- there is a lot more stretch in them than in the yacht braid line, but also less snap factor.
i prefer to use the 3 strand for dockand mooring and anchor lines where the stretch is appreciated. my topping lifts, both masts, are 3 strand--is fine, but after a while, i bang my head on my mizzen boom and need to redo them.

if your 3 strand stiffens, wash it-- comes unstiff with soap and fresh water nicely.
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Re: Three Strand Line

Three strand nylon also chafes nicely - as running rigging you can look forward to several trips to the top of the mast to run in new halyards...

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Re: Three Strand Line

I'm afraid I have to agree with everyone else. I use 3 strand for dock lines and anchor rode primarily because it does stretch. Well, actually I only use it for my secondary anchor rode because my primary is chain, but I do use 1/2 in 3 strand as a snubber on the chain. This gives me a shock absorber for the chain.

Granted, it is a bit easier to splice than double braid but with a bit of practice it's not too bad. I've found the Brian Toss videos to be very useful since he shows little tricks of the trade. All my running rigging is double braid and I try to splice whenever possible as opposed to knots, both for the strength and for the "nautical" look.

I guess in short.... if you want stretch, use 3 strand otherwise use something else.

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Re: Three Strand Line

Hi Cburger,

We have a combination of 3 strand for halyards, topping lifts, lazyjacks and downhauls.

Sheets are braid on braid.

Using good (ish) quality polyester 3 strand there is not so much stretch that the gaff rig cant cope with it.

Halyards just need to be sweated up every now and again.

I have not noticed any extra chafe over the older braid on braid, it is nicer to handle and easier to work with.

All of our ropes are by Liros or Marlow, we are in Great Britain
The Vessel is a Gaff Stay Sl' Schooner.

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Re: Three Strand Line

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I use 3 strand for dock lines and anchor rode primarily because it does stretch. . . [and] as a snubber on the chain. This gives me a shock absorber for the chain.
Next time you replace a three-strand anchor rode, dock line, or snubber -- try nylon octoplait instead of three strand. You can mail me a beer afterwards!
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Hi Cburger,

We have a combination of 3 strand for halyards, topping lifts, lazyjacks and downhauls.

Sheets are braid on braid.

Using good (ish) quality polyester 3 strand there is not so much stretch that the gaff rig cant cope with it.

Halyards just need to be sweated up every now and again.

I have not noticed any extra chafe over the older braid on braid, it is nicer to handle and easier to work with.



All of our ropes are by Liros or Marlow, we are in Great Britain
The Vessel is a Gaff Stay Sl' Schooner.

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Simes, Thank you for answering the question, my prior boat was a Cornish Crabber gaff rigged British built vessel. I have actually been considering English Braids brand three strand that replicates traditional manilla, when I saw the cost had a change of mind.

I have never heard the term "Sweating up halyards" before must be a term that gets lost in transalation.
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Re: Three Strand Line

On our W32, had Marlowe low stretch dacron halyards. At the time, it was the lowest stretch line you could buy. Worked okay for halyards but stiffened up with time and prone to hackles if we weren't careful. You can still get 3 strand dacron line but why?? Double braid won't hackle, coils easier, stays supple, probably lower stretch and so much easier on the hands.
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Simes, Thank you for answering the question, my prior boat was a Cornish Crabber gaff rigged British built vessel. I have actually been considering English Braids brand three strand that replicates traditional manilla, when I saw the cost had a change of mind.

I have never heard the term "Sweating up halyards" before must be a term that gets lost in transalation.
My friendship sloop used all 3-lay.

As an aside--love those Cornish Crabbers. Was in Padstowe, on the Cornwall coast two weeks back. Saw the Saturday racing fleet of Crabbers on the estuary dodging sandbars.
Will try to get a sail when I go back in the spring.
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Re: Three Strand Line

just fyi . . . new england ropes have a whole line of 'traditional looking' sailing lines. That includes 3 different kinds of low stretch 3 strand polyester lines.
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I have never heard the term "Sweating up halyards" before must be a term that gets lost in transalation.
If you don't have a halyard winch you haul the sail up as far as you can, the take a turn around the cleat and pull the halyard perpendicular to the mast. That applies more tension to the halyard than you can apply directly. Quickly ease the wraps on the cleat and take up the slack. By repeating this procedure a couple of times you can get the halyard tighter than you could hope to do by pulling on it directly. That's what's meant by sweating up a line.

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just fyi . . . new england ropes have a whole line of 'traditional looking' sailing lines. That includes 3 different kinds of low stretch 3 strand polyester lines.
Thank you, was happy to see this. I like their products and will give a call to see if they will mail a sample.
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Re: Three Strand Line

First off, how traditional can you look with winches?
Sweating, or swigging a line is done by first holding the bitter end of the line in one hand after a half wrap around a cleat, pulling the line sideways above (or in front of) the cleat with the second, then quickly pulling the slack out with the first hand while releasing with the second.

A traditional way to tension a line that works especially well with a non traditional rope clutch.
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Re: Three Strand Line

I believe Lin Pardey piped in on a reefing post saying they use it. Having a little stretch can be forgiving on the boat I imagine. Still, I would likely go with cheap poly/dacron type, but forego the fancy types.
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