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Old 27-10-2014, 14:26   #1
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There should be a database.....

....similar to a sex offenders registry, of registered boat offenders. This would be a registry of persons who, for reasons of past crimes against boats, have been deemed dangerous in a marine environment. This registry would exist to warn others who might be considering purchasing a boat from, or selling a boat they are fond of to, one of these destroyers of vessels.


There could be a number of classifications:



• People guilty of simple neglect of maintenance, but who are otherwise fine boaters and generally good to have at a gathering might be restricted to owning non-classic boats with simple systems, but would be restricted from ownership of classic traditional vessels and wooden boats.


• Continued violations for negligence could result in forfeiture of the right to own anything more complex than a jon boat or kayak/canoe. With rehabilitation and demonstration of better boat keeping habits they might be given an opportunity to own a daysailor on a trial basis with hopes of someday rejoining their boating brethren out on the big water.



• But those who are guilty of the most egregious violations against boats, who commit acts that actually result in harm to boats and make the saving of any boat they have owned much more costly and difficult for any subsequent owners (the last owner of our boat falls into this category) should be banned from ever owning a boat of any sort.


Those in the last category should also be prohibited from going to boat shows, frequenting boat yards, or subscribing to boating periodicals, just as pedophiles can’t live near schools and shouldn’t look at kiddy porn.



Just sayin'.....
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Old 27-10-2014, 14:30   #2
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Re: There should be a database.....

Purchased a sh!#y boat did we?
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Old 27-10-2014, 15:58   #3
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Re: There should be a database.....

Might wana start with my name.. as I just recently chopped up a folkboat to use the wood for a BBQ, and I've got my eyes of a neglected Westsail 32 to sink and make a reef for fishing.
Got to go, my buddy just found a prize wood ChrisCraft with origional high performance Chevy motors in it... we're rippin the motors out for a sand buggy, and a chevy powered Margarita mixer..
But stay tuned as I'll be right back, Me an BuBa are goin to go out and kill somethin.

And By the way, I've got a pristine Stevens 36 footer for sale... had a little problems with the bottom leaking but Buba fixed it with a piece of quality plywood from Home Depot. New paint and bean bag chairs....
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Purchased a sh!#y boat did we?
No, we bought a great boat that suffered under the care (or lack of) of a negligent owner. Not just negligent, but some of the stuff he did to it (must have seemed like a good idea to him at the time) just leaves me shaking my head in bewilderment.

The boat itself is an awesome boat and the fact that it is still restorable is a testament to what a good boat it is, in spite of the neglect.

It just saddens me. I have corresponded with the two owners the boat had prior to him. They loved and cared for the boat and I found plenty of receipts aboard for professional maintenance that attest to that fact. So he got the boat in good shape. And I know he paid a good price for it to. But then, within the span of 9 years, he all but destroyed it, or let the elements do it for him. It's hard for me to understand how that happens, or why people let it happen.
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And By the way, I've got a pristine Stevens 36 footer for sale... had a little problems with the bottom leaking but Buba fixed it with a piece of quality plywood from Home Depot. New paint and bean bag chairs....
I think I've seen your Stevens 36. Looking on the bright side, Home Depot says all their plywoods are made with waterproof glue now.
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Re: There should be a database.....

"most egregious violations against boats"

Like using silicone? One of the po's of my fine non-bluewater vessel seemed to think silicone would seal anything and everything....
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Re: There should be a database.....

To be honest, I have mixed feelings about it because, on the one hand, if the boat hadn't deteriorated to the point it had, or if the former owner had the wherewithal and desire to take care of it himself, or if a dozen other things hadn't happened just the way they did and at just this time, we wouldn't have gotten the boat at an amazing great price, which we are very happy about. It just makes me sad to see such a fine boat in such a sorry state, that's all.

This isn't the first really good boat we've gotten this way and the reason it's so easy to get them is because there are so many negligent or incapable owners out there. I guess that's good for me, or anyone else who likes to restore boats....but definitely bad for the boats.
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"most egregious violations against boats"

Like using silicone? One of the po's of my fine non-bluewater vessel seemed to think silicone would seal anything and everything....
Yikes.
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Re: There should be a database.....

Becky, in all the years I've looked at and for boats, I have seen horrible things done to altogether too many of them. In many cases, no one knows who did it, since the boats are with brokers who are trying to sell crap and they know it, but won't tell you who did the damage.

It's no different than anything else being bought and sold. I've run away both screaming and crying from houses, boats and a few other things in my time.

And many of us, who have found "our" boat, even in pristine condition, are left "wondering why" about some things POs have done. Mine? No stereo, but a powered TV antenna and a microwave both of which could only be used at a dock! Go figure.
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Re: There should be a database.....

That's just silly. I suspect you have an ax to grind but a database will do nothing. Nothing at all.
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Re: There should be a database.....

It takes all types and who knows what or why the reasons be..
Years ago I rode motorcycles, Harleys to be exact and I felt that harleys wern't buit, they were born, and as much as us, they had a personality and a soal.. And I really got mad when I saw someone mistreating their bike...
Then One day I happened across a story of a guy that had an origional 1965 pan head that liver back up in the woods.. and for those that dont know, a 1965 panhead is a treasure as its the first year for electric starts, the last year for panheads and has a drop center frame.. A stone stock pan is worth bucks, a 1965 is worth gold.
But when I found the guy and the pan, it happened to be leaned up against the backside of his house next to the wood pile, with wood stacked up against the front, the tires flat, the leather bags rotting off, and what looked like the remains of a chickens nest on the seat.. As much of a hard ass biker I looked like, you could have seen a tear from my eye and could tell I felt really bad to see the bueatiful machine in such dis-aray.....
I beged and pleaded to the guy to sell the bike to me but his resopnce was NO, and he went on to say that at one time, that machine carried him for many miles and for many years and it was time to let her rest, right there beside the house..
So, when you see an old broken down sailboat setting in a slip and growing nearer to going back where she once came from, It just might be, she was put there to live out the rest of her life in peace, without the waves pounding on her bow, the wind pushing at her rigging, and need to keep her skipper safe..
Sometimes when you see something like this, its best to just let her be as you dont know the real story..................................
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That's just silly. I suspect you have an ax to grind but a database will do nothing. Nothing at all.
I guess it must have been difficult for you to see my tongue slightly in my cheek when I typed that part.
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Becky, in all the years I've looked at and for boats, I have seen horrible things done to altogether too many of them. In many cases, no one knows who did it, since the boats are with brokers who are trying to sell crap and they know it, but won't tell you who did the damage.

It's no different than anything else being bought and sold. I've run away both screaming and crying from houses, boats and a few other things in my time.

And many of us, who have found "our" boat, even in pristine condition, are left "wondering why" about some things POs have done. Mine? No stereo, but a powered TV antenna and a microwave both of which could only be used at a dock! Go figure.
I feel your pain, Stu. Our boat had hundreds of feet (literally) of coax cable strung all through the boat (what the hell.... ) with all the related holes drilled in the beautiful teak interior to feed it through. We found enough electrical wiring and double AC power outlets (not yet installed, thank God, although a couple were) to wire up a six bedroom house. I can't imagine where you could even put enough electrical stuff to require that many outlets. And this horrible homemade "entertainment center" bolted to the main bulkhead. The huge bolts left huge holes, of course. I have to assume the boat was never going to leave the dock. This boat was never meant to be a shoreside condo and should not suffer such a fate. We couldn't rip all that crap out fast enough.
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It takes all types and who knows what or why the reasons be..
Years ago I rode motorcycles, Harleys to be exact and I felt that harleys wern't buit, they were born, and as much as us, they had a personality and a soal.. And I really got mad when I saw someone mistreating their bike...
Then One day I happened across a story of a guy that had an origional 1965 pan head that liver back up in the woods.. and for those that dont know, a 1965 panhead is a treasure as its the first year for electric starts, the last year for panheads and has a drop center frame.. A stone stock pan is worth bucks, a 1965 is worth gold.
But when I found the guy and the pan, it happened to be leaned up against the backside of his house next to the wood pile, with wood stacked up against the front, the tires flat, the leather bags rotting off, and what looked like the remains of a chickens nest on the seat.. As much of a hard ass biker I looked like, you could have seen a tear from my eye and could tell I felt really bad to see the bueatiful machine in such dis-aray.....
I beged and pleaded to the guy to sell the bike to me but his resopnce was NO, and he went on to say that at one time, that machine carried him for many miles and for many years and it was time to let her rest, right there beside the house..
So, when you see an old broken down sailboat setting in a slip and growing nearer to going back where she once came from, It just might be, she was put there to live out the rest of her life in peace, without the waves pounding on her bow, the wind pushing at her rigging, and need to keep her skipper safe..
Sometimes when you see something like this, its best to just let her be as you dont know the real story..................................
Darned near poetic.
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Re: There should be a database.....

I can understand how you feel. I don't think the PO of my boat used it much. Had it stored in Arizona and bee's found their way in it. Thankfully I saved it and getting things taken care of slowly but surely.

Here's what I was greeted with when I first met my boat.

Evidence Photo 1: Starting battery compartment

Evidence Photo 2: Under the forward seating

Evidence Photo 3: Salon table

Evidence Photo 4: Gooey mess

Evidence Photo 5: Battery box removed

Leaky bits around, seacock that if I didn't catch it, would have sunk the boat and more. Going through a refit now to fix/upgrade some things. Always plenty of things to do on the boat.
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