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Old 18-08-2019, 18:47   #1
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Teak and Holly Sole re-finish

This winter I intend to re-finish the sole of the boat. It is 1/2" solid boards laminated to 3/8" plywood. Would like to attain a "wow" finish but with a high degree of non-skid. Method and product suggestions? All sections are easily removed to work on.
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Re: Teak and Holly Sole re-finish

I did mine a few years ago. I sanded the old varnish down to wood, scraped a few dings. As I recall, I used several thin coats of varnish, followed by 1/2 dozen Effenies hand rub varnish finish. Came out really nice.
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Re: Teak and Holly Sole re-finish

I'll be doing ours sometime over the next year. I'm expecting to use pure Tung oil for the finish. Takes awhile but looks nice to me.

I'll be interested to see what you decide on and to hear your progress.
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Re: Teak and Holly Sole re-finish

The best results will be sprayed two part polyurethane. The hard part is getting down to the wood, then the hard part is spraying. Take up the boards if you can and take them to a painter, a couple at a time. Tell him you expect a finish like glass, GLASS! If the first ones don't meet the spec, take them elsewhere.

Here is the funny part: Gloss finish will be pretty good as a non skid unless it is wet and you are in bare feet.

You'll get 10-15 years.

Anyhow, it's what we do.
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Re: Teak and Holly Sole re-finish

I really like my tung oil finish.
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Re: Teak and Holly Sole re-finish

Total Boat GLEAM varnish is very good product. Easy to work with, fast drying.
Get it from Jamestown Distributors. I replaced the sole in my CAL 33-2 a few years ago and it turned out nice. About 40 hours or so hard labor. Used the old sole pieces as templates, but lots of sanding to get things fitted. Yard quoted me $5,000 to do the job, so I told the wife we're going to give it a go.
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I redid my cabin sole.already. I used the orange Citrus Strip about 4 ft a day paint on, go home next day scrape off with a quality scraper. So i did 4 ft a day till i was all done light sanded. Vacume and tack cloth.
Fast daying clear Polyurethane and i ADD Boiled Linseed oil to the poly which is oil based also .Like 3 Tablespoons per quart. The poly takes a day to dry this way but its NON SKID !
Wet, bare feet or sox All Non slip . I learned this from my Sabre friends .let me see if im smart enough to get a picture up ?
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Re: Teak and Holly Sole re-finish

following. We refinished our sole about 15 years ago, but without a carpet to protect it, it is showing wear and needs to be redone. Unfortunately the product we used then is no longer marketed ....looking for ideas.
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Re: Teak and Holly Sole re-finish

varnish is the way to go. boat shoes and bare feet stick to it. also rubber backed rugs work well with it too. polyurethane is tempting to use but turns out to be slippery.
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Re: Teak and Holly Sole re-finish

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Sole looks great! Where did you source new flooring from?
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My four boards look like teak and Holly but as it turned out it was just a veneer on top of plywood. My flooring is now delaminating and I need to replace it can anybody recommend a good source of materials to replace this with. Either teak and Holly or some newer composite that is waterproof?
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Re: Teak and Holly Sole re-finish

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following. We refinished our sole about 15 years ago, but without a carpet to protect it, it is showing wear and needs to be redone. Unfortunately the product we used then is no longer marketed ....looking for ideas.


I have used the polyurethane that is used to finish bowling lanes before with great success, in a house.
I don’t see why it’s not good for a boat, I figure nothing is tougher.
I believe it’s the same as the finish put on a basketball court.
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My four boards look like teak and Holly but as it turned out it was just a veneer on top of plywood. My flooring is now delaminating and I need to replace it can anybody recommend a good source of materials to replace this with. Either teak and Holly or some newer composite that is waterproof?
I don't know where you are stonecrab, but Caporns in Brookvale, across from Sydney, Aus. is really good at this. We took our old sole pieces in (23 pieces) and specified a custom dark mahogany and silver ash on marine ply and the result was stunning. At 9 years of liveaboard we had them refinished in two part polyurethane what was even more stunning. Now, after another 10 years, we need to do it again on some boards.

This photo, (today) shows a high traffic area after 19 years (10 years on the poly refinish). It's getting rough and a bit dull. I've started on the new finish work (look at bottom of photo by my toes) but the old poly has to come off entirely and that is a lot of work.

Two part polyurethane, sprays, is very nice and very durable.

Hmmm, I'm not sure they are still open https://www.truelocal.com.au/business/caporns/brookvale
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Re: Teak and Holly Sole re-finish

Thanks Wingssail, your floor does look beautiful. I am in the USA at this time. My floors all decided to delaminate at once. It is actually dangerous since the laminations rip free and then you have a sled to skid around on.

I may just plunk down some construction plywood until I can do this properly.

In reading this thread it seems that some of the floors are actually thin planks of wood glued to marine plywood. If I understand what you are saying, Caporns made up a vernier which they glued to a marine plywood base. This is what I seem to have, minus the glue. (at this point anyway)

I think my floor is a bigger dimension than would fit through the companionway which would make the replacement interesting.

I don't see any distributors or suppliers advertising boat flooring. Is this usually made up by the shop as in your case, or are there suppliers to be found?

I have also wondered about whether the floor could just be made out of solid wood, like a house deck, or traditional wooden boat. At this point even pine boards would be better than what I have.

New boats seem to be using a non-wood product with a preference toward the blond look. Any ideas what material that would be?

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My four boards look like teak and Holly but as it turned out it was just a veneer on top of plywood. My flooring is now delaminating and I need to replace it can anybody recommend a good source of materials to replace this with. Either teak and Holly or some newer composite that is waterproof?
Not sure where you are located in the US, but there is an excellent source for boat timbers (including teak/holly plywood for soles) near Annapolis. It is called Exotic Lumber; we have purchased from them often - including sole materials - and highly recommend them.

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