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Old 23-07-2013, 06:31   #46
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Another question.
But first the back story. I pulled out my fixed non opening windows a couple of months ago. Found a marine window supply company that appeared to have replacement weatherproofing vinyl. I contacted said company and was told to send pictures of the vinyl which I did send several in front of a tape measure showing the necessary measurements. I was then told to send a sample. I sent the only sample I kept along with a print out of the previous emails. After more than a month and many calls and emails it turns out they appear to have lost the sample. Since it has rained every day here. Even with a tarp over the boat it is getting trashed. Quite disheartening.
Now the question.
The frames were pop riveted to the boat. (see photo.) Can I oversize the plexiglass and pop rivet it directly to the boat without the frames or is the expansion and contraction going to be too great? I would caulk it in place with Lexel or something similar.
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Old 23-07-2013, 07:48   #47
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Re: So it Begins

I am not sure I am 100% clear on what you are asking here. Are you looking for a seal for the window? I have replaced all of my windows with aluminum frames and used grey butyl tape as the seal. It worked great. My windows were an odd size so I had to make a templates for each window and send them off to the manufacturer. With minor adjustments, I was able to get them installed with no leaks.

On the Aloha Owners Group forum, one of our members used plexiglass and did not allow for the holes to be large enough for expansion and had cracking occur. I would simply oversize the hole a little.
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Old 23-07-2013, 07:50   #48
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These are before/after shots. Originally they were plastic frames.
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Forget the pop rivets and use Dow 795 to glue the plexi directly to the cabin sides.
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Can you replace these with opening portholes? Or is this an irregular size? I think they would be rather sharp looking.
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I am not sure I am 100% clear on what you are asking here. Are you looking for a seal for the window? I have replaced all of my windows with aluminum frames and used grey butyl tape as the seal. It worked great. My windows were an odd size so I had to make a templates for each window and send them off to the manufacturer. With minor adjustments, I was able to get them installed with no leaks.

On the Aloha Owners Group forum, one of our members used plexiglass and did not allow for the holes to be large enough for expansion and had cracking occur. I would simply oversize the hole a little.
I have the frames, but am having difficulty getting the weatherstripping (in the picture) so was wondering about just foregoing the frames altogether.
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Forget the pop rivets and use Dow 795 to glue the plexi directly to the cabin sides.
I will look for the Dow. Is this a no on the Lexel? Sticky stuff from what I have used of it.
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Can you replace these with opening portholes? Or is this an irregular size? I think they would be rather sharp looking.
Would love to have opening portholes, but at a few hundred dollars a pop they will have to wait till other major things are taken care of.
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I will look for the Dow. Is this a no on the Lexel? Sticky stuff from what I have used of it.
I've no idea what lexel is....it may be suitable, it may not.

here's an article about gluing the plexi on.

How to install boat windows and port lights
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I suggest that you attempt to find a local custom window manufacture or someone on line and send them an image of what you are after. You can also send them a profile of the window frame to see if they will have something that will work for you. I think the aluminum frames polished up with new plexi will be a better option for you. I would also convert from rivets to machine screws and nylock nuts and use butyl tape to seal the window frame around the mounting surface. I would avoid permanent adhesives as it makes things very hard to work on in the future.
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Thank you for the links.
My aluminum frames are fine other than some cleaning. The problem is the getting the little piece of rubber in a timely fashion. The inside of my boat is getting trashed with all rain we are having. I will go through those links to see if they can supply that annoying but needed piece of rubber.
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The other option is to have new plexiglass/lexan cut to fit into frames and simply glue it into the frame.
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Review - 30 Redwing
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I have replaced windows like this. Just my inexpensive approach to these kind of portholes NO adhesive, please! Plexiglass expands and contracts..... have the plexiglass cut approx. 3/4" larger all around than the actual opening......place each piece over each corresponding opening...draw the outline on the boat with pencil...draw the outline of the opening from the inside on the plexi with a grease pencil....sand lightly inside around the edges of each... drill symmetrically spaced holes LARGER than the bolt you plan to use so that the plexi has room to move around the bolt (through the plexi AND through the boat {they can be JUST the size of the bolt}).Although I NEVER use silicone for anything else on a boat, put a bead of marine grade silicone all around the opening...GENTLY push the plexi on....the silicone should almost squeeze out the sides....put in the bolts with cupwashers,(dabbing silicone on each) just enough to hold the plexi in place but do not tighten till the silicone sets .... when it sets tighten some more TA DA!
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