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Old 31-08-2015, 00:02   #46
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Re: Sea Hawk Paint Execs Go To Prison For Selling TBT Paint

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The idea of "Equality under the law" is long gone, and it makes me sick.

The feds and their agents seemingly can do whatever they want with no repercussions.
And who's fault is that?
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Old 31-08-2015, 00:28   #47
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Fat f'n chance.

"The Golden Rule" = He who has the gold, makes the rules.
Well you're absolutely right, if the decision was actually left to either the 'people' or the 'government'. But as is being shown to be increasingly clear, there is precious little difference between humans (homo sapiens) and any other life form; the defining purpose of all life is to survive. To be truly human is to realize that we all have the gold, and that it's not infinite, therefore it behooves even semi-intelligent life forms to recognize that fact. Otherwise you're one of the (inaccurately maligned, hypothetical) lemmings. Of course, anyone that's watched TV from any kind of a self-aware position will realize this; after all even piranhas don't eat each other...
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Old 31-08-2015, 05:53   #48
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TBT has been banned worldwide for many years.

I think Rubio likes to catch fish with that boat he's in big debt for. Maybe his Superpac can pay it off for him after he loses.

Google Islands 44 plus paint and you will get numerous hits of where it is for sale right now. TBT bottom paint is still available in some places.


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Define permanent.
Permanent means for the foreseeable future.

Problem being that the bay and parts of it's watershed are heavily polluted with Persistent Organic Pollutants, chemicals that do not break down, are toxic, and bioaccumulate. That means your body does not get rid of them on it's own and while your exposure may be low, their concentrations will increase in your body as long as you continue to receive exposure. These pollutants include PCB's, Dioxins, HAP's, Mercury, and a variety of other metals.

The problems in Newark Bay specifically are in large part the result of a couple of factors, starting with a Federally Authorized navigational channel in the Passaic River dating from the end of the 19th century which was artificially deep and maintained through sporadic dredging.

In the 1950's the lower channel ceased to be maintained which coincided with the growth of the local chemical industry which continued the following decades. As industry dumped more and more chemicals, the previously dredged channel filled itself in such that an eight mile stretch of the river contains nearly 10 million cubic yards of heavily contaminated sediment.

While their were a variety of industries that contributed to the pollution, one of the worst offenders was Diamond Alkali, a significant producer of Agent Orange used as a defoliant in the Vietnam War, whose site is now a EPA Superfund Site capped with concrete.

While most of the pollution remains trapped in the bottom, erosion caused by heavy river flow periodically releases contaminates into the bay itself. Last year the EPA proposed a $1.7 billion dredging project which is currently tied up in court and likely decades away, a somewhat dubious notion to begin with as disturbing the bottom will doubtless release more pollution into the bay.

There are a number of fish species present in the bay and the state issues consumption advisories however crabs live on the bottom and are the most heavily contaminated to the extent that they themselves constitute "toxic waste".

Poor people gotta eat and the area is not the wealthiest. The state posts notices against crabbing and crab consumption however these are often torn down by locals. I have met some of these individuals. They don't believe the pollution could be that bad or that there is nothing that won't be taken care of by cooking (boiling) the crabs. Often they are older individuals who have been crabbing their whole lives.

Really very sad. I have a hard time believing the responsible parties were unaware of what they were doing. Their mess is unlikely to be cleaned up fully within the next generation. That's what I mean by permanent.
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Re: Sea Hawk Paint Execs Go To Prison For Selling TBT Paint

So, years ago we would buy bottom paint that would literally last 5 years + and if you got it on your skin, it would take a couple weeks for it to come off. In reading the articles that compared the MSD's for both the old and the new, the new contain 50% less environmentally harmful chemicals.

So, It seems painting every two years and using a lot more product (thicker coats) and comes right off the skin for cleanup.

Does simple logic not dictate that actually doing more harm to the environment over that five years?
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